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Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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post #25

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The 1:1 ratio of guns to people is shocking to the majority of the civilised world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP3HJVp3n9c

Why? Many other countries come close to that ratio. Is there something intrinsically bad about that?

I think the bigger problem is that we manufacture many more guns than we can use, which is basically tacit support for the guns for drug trade.

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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Lets not forget that Singapore executes a higher percentage of its population than any other country on earth and canes people slicing into flesh.

That was true in the 1990s, but not in the last 10 years where use of capital punishment has been consistently less than 10 persons per year, including foreign nationals (i.e. not "its population"). Conversely the USA has a much higher percentage of its population sitting in prison. I suspect many of those people would prefer a caning over the loss of many productive years of their life.

It's not meant to be a comparison. I am simply asking why most of this thread is celebrating a man that created a police state that is the model for Asia.

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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post #11

One of the greatest leaders of modern times. Singapore was a backwater country with no natural resources when he came to power. It's since evolved into one of the primary economic hubs in Asia, with a higher per-capita GDP than her former colonizers, Great Britain. To transform a country in such short a time is nothing short of remarkable.

Their economic production is quite remarkable. Circa 2001 their GDP per capita was 1/3 lower than Japan, and about 1/5 lower than Hong Kong. They suffered a decade of stagnation from the early 1990s until 2003. They've been on a tear ever since, with GDP per capita now 45% higher than Japan and Hong Kong. Quite a jump in just 13 or 14 years. Likely within another few years they'll pass Malaysia in GDP, with Malaysia…

I think with China weakening, it can't continue. We are probably in for a second Asian Financial Crisis in the next few years.

Also, Singapore is very much like Switzerland: they have to import many/most of their workers, except whereas Switzerland focuses on the high end, they focus on both (importing Chinese bus drivers and American programmers). Its a weird mix that isn't sustainable (also, they should stop using cheap construction for everything, concrete shouldn't be used so much in a modern city!).

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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That is still shocking to anyone in the US where the ratio of guns to people is 1:1.

Yes, but note that the offense is for unlawful possession of firearms, not lawful possession (though I imagine the conditions for lawful possession in Singapore are extremely restrictive). Where I live (Finland) the ratio is 2:5 (2 million legal guns, 5 million people). That's the highest in EU. We also have among the highest homicide rate in EU, but these two rates are not really connected (i.e. very few of the homi…

I think Sweden and Germany have you matched or beat on guns per capita in the EU

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_co...

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their economic production is quite remarkable. Circa 2001 their GDP per capita was 1/3 lower than Japan, and about 1/5 lower than Hong Kong. They suffered a decade of stagnation from the early 1990s until 2003. They've been on a tear ever since, with GDP per capita now 45% higher than Japan and Hong Kong. Quite a jump in just 13 or 14 years. Likely within another few years they'll pass Malaysia in GDP, with Malaysia…

I think with China weakening, it can't continue. We are probably in for a second Asian Financial Crisis in the next few years. Also, Singapore is very much like Switzerland: they have to import many/most of their workers, except whereas Switzerland focuses on the high end, they focus on both (importing Chinese bus drivers and American programmers). Its a weird mix that isn't sustainable (also, they should stop using…

I agree, China will create an economic blackhole effect in the near future. They've accumulated between $25 trillion and $45 trillion in new debt in the last seven years (depending on which analysts you listen to), and are strictly reliant on trillions in new annual debt at this point to continue their fake GDP growth. Their real estate market is crashing. They have a demographics nightmare looming. The age of robotics replacing low value manual labor has arrived. And to top it off, China has half a billion farmers that are effectively unemployed with no future prospects.

I'd argue they stopped growing in real terms years ago. Most of their added GDP the last five years has been purely low value debt derived 'growth.'

Also, the last time the US Dollar behaved like it is now, it caused a large emerging markets crash, and it's likely that will be repeated again (if to a lesser degree).

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-03-16/strongly-ri...

The countries that benefited hugely from China's rise, will suffer as China's boom turns into decades of stagnation. That will include Singapore, Australia and much of Asia in general. I think given China is repeating Japan's debt mistakes, and has a similar demographics problem (but much worse given the extreme poverty covering 2/3 of their population), China will at best probably mimic Japan's post 1980s stagnation.

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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I thought they mostly executed foreigners getting caught running drugs through the airport?

Singapore will also execute anyone for simply possessing a firearm.

Your point being? The possession of firearm is illegal in the country.

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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Singapore is in for some seriously interesting times. Lee Kuan Yew did a masterful job of getting Singapore up to speed after independence, but like so many leaders over-identified with their nation, he overstayed his welcome. The Lee family's tentacles are firmly entrenched in the politics and businesses of Singapore, and while I hope they will have the common sense to tolerate the inevitable rise of the opposition…

The opinion above was formed by living in Singapore for ~8 years and continuing to take an active interest in its affairs for the next 5. You're welcome to disagree, but please tell me why then instead of just downvoting...

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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Not quite, Wikipedia: "Trafficking in arms (Section 6) is a capital offence in Singapore. Under the Arms Offences Act, trafficking is defined as being in unlawful possession of more than two firearms."

That is still shocking to anyone in the US where the ratio of guns to people is 1:1.

And 1:1 guns ratio is shocking for most of the rest of the world...

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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post #11

One of the greatest leaders of modern times. Singapore was a backwater country with no natural resources when he came to power. It's since evolved into one of the primary economic hubs in Asia, with a higher per-capita GDP than her former colonizers, Great Britain. To transform a country in such short a time is nothing short of remarkable.

You might want to look deeper into that. Economically Singapore has been well run, every other way is up for debate.

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was true in the 1990s, but not in the last 10 years where use of capital punishment has been consistently less than 10 persons per year, including foreign nationals (i.e. not "its population"). Conversely the USA has a much higher percentage of its population sitting in prison. I suspect many of those people would prefer a caning over the loss of many productive years of their life.

It's not meant to be a comparison. I am simply asking why most of this thread is celebrating a man that created a police state that is the model for Asia.

It's a country that has extremely low crime, and an amazing economy. Achieved with fewer resources and greater speed than any successful country in history.

Singapore has a different set of problems than the rest of the world. I think that's refreshing.

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