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India students caught 'cheating' in exams in Bihar

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Re: India students caught 'cheating' in exams in Bihar

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

eitally wrote: post #15

The problem is that if you have 1.4 million people to compete against in your state and you know the authorities don't really care if you cheat, then you absolutely have an incentive to cheat. This is a political & cultural problem, but is absolutely solvable. In my graduate program (~60 people) at a top tier US engineering school, about 10% were Chinese, 80% Indian, and 10% American. The Indians did all their work a…

I'm not clear on how what the Indians are doing affects the GPA of the Chinese or Americans in your example. Do they blow the curve, maybe?

Also, Americans tend to put individual before group. I wonder if your example isn't so much cheating as a difference in culture.

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Post by howling »

macspoofing wrote: post #8
m0skit0 wrote: post #4

IMHO the real problem here since a long time is that exams have been demonstrated to be flawed. You can pass an exam and have no idea on the subject. The whole system is flawed, we need a new education system.

Uh huh. Like what?

How about just having no grades at all? The companies/universities get to decide which applicants to choose by their own methods.

Re: India students caught 'cheating' in exams in Bihar

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Post by ceejayoz »

actopren wrote: post #24

Seems like BBC in a mission to defame India. They also seem to forget the problems in their country and focus on others. See this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/4... 45000 British students caught. Although this article was published in 2012. Worth noting that, this kind of news are not news at all for BBC. EDIT: For all the downvoters. You got the right to do it but read this article star…

> Worth noting that, this kind of news are not news at all for BBC.

You really should check before asserting stuff like that. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/7466438.stm

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Post by [deleted] »

icebraining wrote: post #29
actopren wrote: post #24

Seems like BBC in a mission to defame India. They also seem to forget the problems in their country and focus on others. See this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/4... 45000 British students caught. Although this article was published in 2012. Worth noting that, this kind of news are not news at all for BBC. EDIT: For all the downvoters. You got the right to do it but read this article star…

Not 45000 British students, but 45000 students in British universities.

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Re: India students caught 'cheating' in exams in Bihar

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Post by actopren »

ceejayoz wrote: post #34
actopren wrote: post #24

Seems like BBC in a mission to defame India. They also seem to forget the problems in their country and focus on others. See this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/4... 45000 British students caught. Although this article was published in 2012. Worth noting that, this kind of news are not news at all for BBC. EDIT: For all the downvoters. You got the right to do it but read this article star…

> Worth noting that, this kind of news are not news at all for BBC. You really should check before asserting stuff like that. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/7466438.stm

@ceejayoz

I should say the same. The article link that I posted was reported in 2012. The link that you shared was from 2008.

Re: India students caught 'cheating' in exams in Bihar

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Post by scient »

actopren wrote: post #24

Seems like BBC in a mission to defame India. They also seem to forget the problems in their country and focus on others. See this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/4... 45000 British students caught. Although this article was published in 2012. Worth noting that, this kind of news are not news at all for BBC. EDIT: For all the downvoters. You got the right to do it but read this article star…

Great whataboutism!

Re: India students caught 'cheating' in exams in Bihar

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Post by rayiner »

eitally wrote: post #15

The problem is that if you have 1.4 million people to compete against in your state and you know the authorities don't really care if you cheat, then you absolutely have an incentive to cheat. This is a political & cultural problem, but is absolutely solvable. In my graduate program (~60 people) at a top tier US engineering school, about 10% were Chinese, 80% Indian, and 10% American. The Indians did all their work a…

Cheating in U.S. higher education is really a moral crisis, and the amount of accomodation for cheaters is shocking to me. I was bored one day and decided to read through the opinions of my school's honor board proceedings. You wouldn't believe the shit people got away with. One student plagerized most of his final paper from one of the professor's books. He said in his country that was a sign of respect! And he got away with that excuse!

Re: India students caught 'cheating' in exams in Bihar

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Post by triangleman »

howling wrote: post #25
triangleman wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This can happen anywhere. I remember my old high school math teacher helping the star math pupil get a higher score on the AIME[1] and then again on the IMO[2]. The student was suspected of cheating and, thankfully, given a second chance to take the exam again (don't remember which one) without the teacher present. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Invitational_Mathemati... [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In…

How does one cheat in IMO? Is your high school teacher your country's IMO team leader?

Maybe it was a qualifying test? I don't know, it was held in the school.

Re: India students caught 'cheating' in exams in Bihar

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Post by leephillips »

m0skit0 wrote: post #4

IMHO the real problem here since a long time is that exams have been demonstrated to be flawed. You can pass an exam and have no idea on the subject. The whole system is flawed, we need a new education system.

We already have one. Not so new, actually. My undergraduate school[0] was founded in 1970. No required courses, tests, or grades. It's not the only one. Subjecting yourself to this torture is voluntary.

[0]https://www.hampshire.edu/

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