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Re: I code like a girl

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post #9

I have never heard anyone in real life tell a woman that she "codes like a girl.", as if that would be a diss anyway? Given that anyone with even a basic understanding of history would be awed by some of the women in the industry (ada and grace anyone), you would have to pretty stupid to come to the conclusion that women cant code.

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Re: I code like a girl

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like, in "going out with the boys" or "my boys have my back" or "boys will be boys"?

I've literally never said any of those and would feel uncomfortable doing so.

But you are aware of these sayings correct? This was not the first time you've heard them, right?

Re: I code like a girl

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post #4

"The only human labor noted in the press was the initial design of the machine, which was performed by men." Who gets the credit for e.g. iPhone? Chinese workers? That person who was tweaking the icons to look pixel-perfect (pre-iOS7)? CEO?

Apple does - I doubt anyone truly believes that Steve Jobs personally designed the whole iPhone; also, the Chinese workers are at least in the public consciousness - apart from the Foxconn labour controversies, each unit has 'Made in China' written on it somewhere.

If as the article says the ENIAC news reports were along the lines of 'here is a machine that can calculate trajectories, and these are the men who designed it', who's to know that maybe half of the effort was undertaken by others not mentioned?

Re: I code like a girl

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post #9

I have never heard anyone in real life tell a woman that she "codes like a girl.", as if that would be a diss anyway? Given that anyone with even a basic understanding of history would be awed by some of the women in the industry (ada and grace anyone), you would have to pretty stupid to come to the conclusion that women cant code.

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Re: I code like a girl

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Sometimes I get a little happy - maybe even proud - when I read about the achievements of women who pioneered this field (especially the awesome Admiral Hopper.) Then I stop smiling and remind myself that, even in praise, it's not relevant.

Sometimes people claim that women are biologically, statistically, just not as good/interested as men at programming/technology, and point to current gender balance in tech as evidence of this ("There's a reason there's lots of male programmers, men must be just better!")

Remembering some of these women, and the early history like this, is very relevant today to show that that's nonsense.

Re: I code like a girl

#38
post #24

Why can't we just code like professionals ? Sidenote: Disclaimer: I was heavily influenced by my Biology professors. I don't think society evolved in vacuum separate from genetic evolution. So while I don't appreciate insulting people by gender. I do however think there are gender differences. Another person on HN linked me to this documentary, which opened my mind. https://vimeo.com/19707588

> Why can't we just code like professionals ?

Because we put our heart in it - so we code like amateurs. The best professionals are amateurs who just happen to be paid.

Re: I code like a girl

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post #23
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As interesting as Ada Lovelace's and Charles Babbage's story is, their efforts have had little (if any) influence on the computer we know today. In a sense, they are not completely relevant when talking about modern computing. I also feel Lovelace tend to distract the subject on women in computing.

Likewise Leibniz was the first computer scientist. As if anyone cares.

I care. I like to know the truth not the marketing angle. Do you mind explaining ?

Re: I code like a girl

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On the topic of equality in general - As an old man and a father of a 22 year old woman let me tell you what I've observed - women don't need your help and when you act like they need your protection you're no better than someone who treats them as weaklings. It's a fine line and imho the best bet is to just treat them as you would anyone else.
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