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How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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The difficult thing with this sort of article is that while it generally sounds plausible, the layperson reader doesn't know about the specifics. I don't know anything about BFO spoofing or handshake rings. This means that all I can really judge this article on is its presentation and logical reasoning, and while both seem okay, there's no way for me to evaluate the premises and finer points that the piece critically…

I started reading this and then I thought of Occam's Razor. This theory is appears way too complex to be true, something much simpler likely happened.

Yes, but then there would never be conspiracies because they are almost always more complicated than non-conspiracies.

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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I think the main point of the story is not to convince us that he has a good proof. But rather to document how we convince ourselves, and how we latch on to small things and head down a path. Once we are on a path we become commited to it and it becomes hard to turn back.

Notice how he talks about the "crazies" on the forum. How they would use aliases, log back in and mention their stupid "lightning" theory, and he had to kick them out.

However, he then carefully proceeds to discribe how he did pretty much the same. Spent his own money and time building this complicated theory of super smart and efficient russian spies hacking into a satcom of a flying aircraft, also somehow, incapacitation everyone else on board, etc. In the meantime he is dropping clues how his own wife doesn't even believe him.

I think many people here, judging by the comments, misunderstood the goal of the article and took it too literaly.

But, there is a good lesson here. This stuff happens if you program and design software. There are lot of moving parts and lot of imperfect knowledge -- market needs, tools, langauges, platforms, APIs, architectures desicions, etc etc. Sometimes if you start to "just write code" too early. You end up committed to a bad path and it becomes hard mentally to throw it away and restart. Or, alternatively, you spend so much time picking the right combination of tools or redesigning the system that it becomes too later to do anything (someone else already built the system or there is no need for it anymore somehow).

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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Lack of debris and communication aside, the sheer frequency of Asian airliner disasters and disappearances this past year has been especially provocative and unusual. The Ex-Prime Minister of Malaysia has resisted implications that the plane had crashed, insisting that MH370 was a CIA operation. The loss of the plane over the Ukraine, too, stirred up rumors of a hacked plane being used as a missile and also rumors th…

> the sheer frequency of Asian airliner disasters and disappearances this past year has been especially provocative and unusual

No, not really. 2014 actually had less crashes of large planes (6) than any previous year on record, it's just that three of them were particularly large -- and the death toll was still less than 2005 (or 2002 or 2001 or 2000). http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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I don't understand why an entity with "state level resources" would need to go through this elaborate procedure to acquire a jet (which they presumably want to use for nefarious purposes).

1) What nefarious purpose could they possibly use it for? e.g. let's say they want to turn it into a flying bomb - do they really think the rest of the world won't figure out where it came from / who did it, simply because they're using a stolen plane?

2) Why go through all this trouble with a mission that could go catastrophically wrong, when you could just buy it through your regular black-budget process?

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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The scenario described in the article could only have gone down with the support of a state level actor. In foreign affairs, states are mostly rational and risk-averse. The risk involved in such an operation would have been astronomical:

- It stretches the imagination that in the Post-9/11 world, hijackers could access a panel in the cabin without raising passenger and crew suspicion. So the hijackers would have required some way to control the passengers. Smuggling this past airport security is already a huge risk to the operation.

- The northern route may be the optimal route for someone looking to avoid detection, but there is still a massive risk that one of these countries might notice the plane on military or other radar. This would be an unqualified disaster to the sponsors of the operation.

- The most probable final ping locations are so far out that the aircraft was almost certainly at or on the verge of fuel exhaustion. How would the hijackers have known the precise amount of fuel on board? How would they deal with unexpectedly high head winds, or some other in-flight issue? Any crash landing would be difficult to conceal.

The sophistication, danger, and lack of motivation for such an operation makes this sound more like a movie plot than a credible theory.

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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post #30

The difficult thing with this sort of article is that while it generally sounds plausible, the layperson reader doesn't know about the specifics. I don't know anything about BFO spoofing or handshake rings. This means that all I can really judge this article on is its presentation and logical reasoning, and while both seem okay, there's no way for me to evaluate the premises and finer points that the piece critically…

This is how I feel about climate change.

I've struggled with this as well when it comes to issues that are under heavier debate [1]. I like to think that I am capable of reading most technical things and evaluating them with a healthy skepticism, but at a certain point, I know that I just have to trust people who are smarter than me.

One thing I try to pay attention to is consensus. It's probably very easy to get duped by a single voice that's smarter than you (or just knows more about a specific subject), but it's less probable that a bunch of those people are all in on it together. The larger the consensus, the easier it is to trust.

I think I have read (source?) that the consensus level on the broad category of climate change and whether it's likely to end badly for us is pretty near the high 90% if not close to the 99-100% mark. But then when it comes to the more detailed bits like how bad, and how soon, that's where I don't know who to listen to. Any suggestions?

[1] - I don't like the word debate here because it feels loaded, but I can't think of a better one.

Update: I feel silly even amending this, but upon re-reading my post, I see there may be some doubt as to whether I believe in climate change. I do, and only after a healthy amount of research and some level of blind trust in consensus of people more knowledgeable than myself. The uncertainty I have is around what the effects will be, how severe, and how soon. The answers to those help to inform my choices on how to go about helping fix it.

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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post #35

I don't understand why an entity with "state level resources" would need to go through this elaborate procedure to acquire a jet (which they presumably want to use for nefarious purposes). 1) What nefarious purpose could they possibly use it for? e.g. let's say they want to turn it into a flying bomb - do they really think the rest of the world won't figure out where it came from / who did it, simply because they're…

The theory has a lot of holes, but in the absence of the plane and much other hard evidence, it becomes really attractive to believe in it. What were the Russians doing in Malaysia? In fact Russians make up an increasing number of tourists in south east asia. I ran into many when I was in Phuket a couple of years back.

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

#39
Look something's wrong. Let's blame it on Putin. Let's not blame it on the weapons manufacturer's who wield powers to influence decisions on who should join NATO. Why do we need to spook Russia by starting the process of adding Ukraine to NATO? Why do we need 3% of GDP as defense budget in peace times? Why does everybody think about this but not ask?
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