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The free version of Win 10 requires mandatory updates from Microsoft, not just security updates but app updates. There is also a variety of user data tracking and integration with cloud services, Bing, storage, etc. Businesses that want a predictable operating system that receives only security updates, will need to pay for support. In other words, if consumers want what was free with Win7, they have to use a support…
> The free version of Win 10 requires mandatory updates from Microsoft, not just security updates but app updates. There is also a variety of user data tracking and integration with cloud services, Bing, storage, etc. Can you provide a source? First time I've seen someone claim this. Several articles I've read up until now has suggested that the Windows 10 licence which is granted for free would be indistinguishable…
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Re: Microsoft is interesting again
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
The free version of Win 10 requires mandatory updates from Microsoft, not just security updates but app updates. There is also a variety of user data tracking and integration with cloud services, Bing, storage, etc. Businesses that want a predictable operating system that receives only security updates, will need to pay for support. In other words, if consumers want what was free with Win7, they have to use a support…
> The free version of Win 10 requires mandatory updates from Microsoft, not just security updates but app updates. Are you from the future when the final version is out or can you back this up with some credible source? > There is also a variety of user data tracking Aren't you just saying that because the preview version was built specifically to provide lots of feedback data to microsoft (and they were pretty clear…
Did "preview builds" of previous Microsoft Windows versions have a comparable terms of service stipulation on user tracking and data collection? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/07/windows_10_data_coll...
Microsoft says they are moving to "Windows as a Service". Yes, we can wait until GA to find out what that means. Some IT professionals are paid to decide what that means, before GA, so their business can make strategic purchasing decisions. Microsoft is releasing information incrementally in response to customer feedback, so anyone who cares about this topic and is paying for Software Assurance is free to add their voice to the chorus of questioners.
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#33It's true, Microsoft is suddenly a palatable company without the greedy, vengeful, angry attitude of Steve Ballmer. With the anachronistic culture of the founders now entirely purged, I see no reason why they would not become a credible competitor in many markets. They are hungry to prove they are relevant again, giving them the incentive of a startup, while they have essentially unlimited cash. As much as some part…
Player in what? The Surface looks interesting but its very, very expensive compared to either a laptop or a tablet. Their phones are underwhelming regardless of their massive 'mobile/cloud' first initiatives and are now the bottom-basement phone for the ultra cheap buyer. Office365 is interesting but predates Nadella's leadership. Azure never panned out to be the Windows EC2. OSX keeps eating up laptop marketshare (g…
Xbox one is quite amazing. Sales are good, games are ramping up. Every week some new games are out or announced. I can't wait to see what they do to improve that.
Buying of Minecraft was a fantastic decision, it's not like they didn't have any video game division and suddenly bought it. I'm hoping to see more work on it but you saw how they were using it as a platform in their VR announcements, which means that they plan to expand it further and it ideally will continue to be a platform that devs will create new ideas in and from.
From just using it and having been kind of annoyed by MS Office since the 2003 days, 365 seems snappier and better than it ever has been. Certain things after getting used to seeing them end up making sense and are attractive.
OneDrive is a very nice service, I like it way better than Google, for free and paid you get a lot of storage with it and it's super easy to use and looks classy, not cheap.
windows 10 could be insanely good. don't forget the free upgrade offerings too, which is new and much welcomed.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Player in what? The Surface looks interesting but its very, very expensive compared to either a laptop or a tablet. Their phones are underwhelming regardless of their massive 'mobile/cloud' first initiatives and are now the bottom-basement phone for the ultra cheap buyer. Office365 is interesting but predates Nadella's leadership. Azure never panned out to be the Windows EC2. OSX keeps eating up laptop marketshare (g…
some good details in your assessment but entirely missing a lot of great positives especially on the products you've hit out. Azure is growing, Surface is growing and is not only a solid product but one of those products that is what a lot of people have been dreaming about that other companies just aren't ballsy enough to do. Each iteration in a short time has improved quite a bit either in performance or device spe…
Re: Microsoft is interesting again
#35It's true, Microsoft is suddenly a palatable company without the greedy, vengeful, angry attitude of Steve Ballmer. With the anachronistic culture of the founders now entirely purged, I see no reason why they would not become a credible competitor in many markets. They are hungry to prove they are relevant again, giving them the incentive of a startup, while they have essentially unlimited cash. As much as some part…
Player in what? The Surface looks interesting but its very, very expensive compared to either a laptop or a tablet. Their phones are underwhelming regardless of their massive 'mobile/cloud' first initiatives and are now the bottom-basement phone for the ultra cheap buyer. Office365 is interesting but predates Nadella's leadership. Azure never panned out to be the Windows EC2. OSX keeps eating up laptop marketshare (g…
OSX keeps eating market share especially amongst the more younger demographics thats true, but it has nothing to do with the OS, they could run an OS that shows a picture of a potato every 10min and freezes till you shake the laptop and it won't make a different.
Apple is cool and pretty, people buy it, they also market aggressively to students with financial assistance and student discounts. However i wonder how many students would actually use OSX if MSFT wouldn't have had Office for it. Even taking into account the fact that some uni's still require students to use TEX/LATEX for works most of them write it in word in a 2 or 3 column format and use a converter (I've done that 10 years ago).
So far from what I've seen MSFT made Windows cost almost nothing, made office very cheap for home users and almost free for students. Brought down the price of Visual Studio considerably, and releasing the new "Community Edition" which is considerably more feature rich than the Express edition of yesteryear.
And while many people found Windows 8 lackluster it still brought quite a bit of good changes, and as a free upgrade to Windows 7 for many users and at less than 50$ for all the rest.
There is very little reason for OS's to make huge jumps these days, the platforms they run don't double their RAM and CPU power every 3-4 years like they used too. For all intents and purposes the Core i5 machine you bought in 2009 would still run Windows 8 just as fine as a new one you bought today (that's not saying that the CPU's are the same or even come close to having a comparable raw processing power).
@ Main topic, i do love articles that state MSFT lost X to Y and Z to M over and over, if they would had control over search, social media and mobile you would both hate them much more, and we most likely would've been in a worse position as consumers.
Google is bad enough, i would go as far as saying that they are worse than MSFT ever was. They control how virtually every person finds and accesses data and they are expanding their reach from not only controlling how you do it over the internet but going as far as establishing them selves as an ISP, wanting to become a wireless carrier, and funding SAT based internet access.
However with all that, and the fact that their business model is heavily invested in having access to every peace of private and public information about you and everyone else no one gives them half the flak they gave MSFT when they tried to bundle internet explorer with Windows.
I wonder if in 15 years after some court cases and blunders we'll see articles about how Google is interesting again, sadly i doubt it will come to that.
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some good details in your assessment but entirely missing a lot of great positives especially on the products you've hit out. Azure is growing, Surface is growing and is not only a solid product but one of those products that is what a lot of people have been dreaming about that other companies just aren't ballsy enough to do. Each iteration in a short time has improved quite a bit either in performance or device spe…
A lot of the things you listed are losing money for MS. Yes, they're neat and from an end user perspective, nice toys, but the reality is that cashflow only come from a handful of sources and MS really is screwing up. I think maybe it just needs to find its footing, but at the end of the day, someone needs to pay the bills. Meanwhile Apple and Google are making money hand over fist in those spaces.
Xbox BTW is a good earner for Microsoft, they lose money on the console and make a killing on each game. Lumia and Surface also showed very good profits from Q3 2014 and onwards. And Windows Azure is probably the only truly profitable cloud platform out there with 25-30 bln dollars in yearly profits (not income).
Amazon is losing billions on their cloud, and on every other product they run including their store, the only time they got out of the red was 2009 after 15 years in business and that was never repeated again.
In 2014 both MSFT and Amazon had virtually the same income Amazon even made 2-3 bln. $ more. MSFT has a net profit of 28 bln, Amazon lost 250 mil.
There is more to business than just revenue streams, but as revenue goes MSFT is in a very good shape.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The free version of Win 10 requires mandatory updates from Microsoft, not just security updates but app updates. Are you from the future when the final version is out or can you back this up with some credible source? > There is also a variety of user data tracking Aren't you just saying that because the preview version was built specifically to provide lots of feedback data to microsoft (and they were pretty clear…
There will be three "branches": Consumer, Current & LTS. Jan 2015, Terry Myerson of Microsoft, http://blogs.windows.com/business/2015/01/30/windows-10-for-... "With Windows 10, the experience will evolve and get even better over time. We’ll deliver new features when they’re ready, not waiting for the next major release. We think of Windows as a Service – in fact, one could reasonably think of Windows in the next coup…
Posting a lot of unrelated text as answer doesn't make you more correct.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
They fired tens of thousands of employees, including shifting upper management thoroughly. So yes, they killed a lot of bureaucracy.
and how many of those people were from Nokia that was acquired by them?
Re: Microsoft is interesting again
#39"If Android & Cyanogen both run Android Apps perfectly, and Cyanogen doesn’t have to come bundled with Google’s suite of services….well….hmmmm…do the math." Android: hate the new GUI and every game prompting me to sign in to stupid G+ or whatever it's called. Anyone tried Cyanogen on Nexus 2013 tablet?
Cyanogen is fine and has some nice features if they apply to your personal usage but the thing about games wanting to log into your Google account would likely be the same. It's the equivalent of Apple's game center or whatever it's called. It's basically a universal login for games so you can keep progress/settings saved across devices. I haven't found any yet that require it but typically it's an opt-in thing if you care about that functionality. I've only ever been asked to sign in on first run of a newly installed game so it's not nearly as obnoxious as the ones that constantly pester you to connect with Facebook or some other thing that's completely unrelated. On a Google phone I can understand using Google's games framework for your game profile but it's annoying to assume I want to use an unrelated service (Facebook) or even have an account with them.
Re: Microsoft is interesting again
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
There will be three "branches": Consumer, Current & LTS. Jan 2015, Terry Myerson of Microsoft, http://blogs.windows.com/business/2015/01/30/windows-10-for-... "With Windows 10, the experience will evolve and get even better over time. We’ll deliver new features when they’re ready, not waiting for the next major release. We think of Windows as a Service – in fact, one could reasonably think of Windows in the next coup…
As expected, there is nothing there to support your claims that "The free version of Win 10 requires mandatory updates from Microsoft, not just security updates but app updates." or that the it will have "a variety of user data tracking" included, your words. Posting a lot of unrelated text as answer doesn't make you more correct.
This is explicitly addressed in the quoted text. Sorry if you didn't understand it.
> "it will have "a variety of user data tracking"
Addressed in my other comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9064579), based on the Win10 preview. Are you familar with the concept of a "trial balloon"?