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Re: Elementary OS Freya Beta 2

#31

Post by Siyo »

mox1 wrote: post #18
bndr wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean this post [1] ? I find their reasoning quite logical. [1] http://blog.elementaryos.org/post/110645528530/payments

So they wrote all this code themselves right? No, of course they didn't. The large majority of what they are selling was written by others (kernel, Debian, etc). Are they passing any revenue to their upstream providers? They have every right to try and charge people, but it's very disengineous to run git clone on a FOSS repo,make a few changes then write a big blog post about charging for the output.

If that's your argument, then why do we allow thousands of companies to base their proprietary web applications on the FOSS stack? How many of these companies would even exist today without Linux or Ruby or MySQL/Postgres? How much do companies contribute back to these projects? Why is it so bad if elementary OS is based on Debian, but it's completely fine when some startup runs on Debian servers?

Re: Elementary OS Freya Beta 2

#32

Post by tree_of_item »

nickysielicki wrote: post #27
psgbg wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that was a poorly transmitted message and an overblown story. Probably it should be read as "taking advantage of the system". Look run an Open Source project is costly, as much as making any other kind of software. Or you throw money developing it or time (which can be translated to money). They release the source code of everything, plus is GPL so it's free* software as stated by the FSF (but they have priva…

The elementary devs are idiots for not thinking about what they wanted to get out of this project in the first place. Let's take a look at other open source monetizers: * Red Hat - Provide enterprise support. * Canonical - Provide dumb cloud services and enterprise support * Docker - Provide enterprise support. Where does Elementary fit into any of these models? Oh it doesn't? Then what in god's name were you thinkin…

Please take a minute to realize that you're part of the problem.

Re: Elementary OS Freya Beta 2

#33

Post by tree_of_item »

mox1 wrote: post #18
bndr wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean this post [1] ? I find their reasoning quite logical. [1] http://blog.elementaryos.org/post/110645528530/payments

So they wrote all this code themselves right? No, of course they didn't. The large majority of what they are selling was written by others (kernel, Debian, etc). Are they passing any revenue to their upstream providers? They have every right to try and charge people, but it's very disengineous to run git clone on a FOSS repo,make a few changes then write a big blog post about charging for the output.

This is absurd. Thousands of companies sell proprietary software based on BSD/MIT/Apache libraries every day and contribute absolutely nothing to those projects and no one bats an eye. But another FOSS project takes them and wants to charge money? What a ripoff!

Re: Elementary OS Freya Beta 2

#34

Post by krisgenre »

Siyo wrote: post #31
mox1 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So they wrote all this code themselves right? No, of course they didn't. The large majority of what they are selling was written by others (kernel, Debian, etc). Are they passing any revenue to their upstream providers? They have every right to try and charge people, but it's very disengineous to run git clone on a FOSS repo,make a few changes then write a big blog post about charging for the output.

If that's your argument, then why do we allow thousands of companies to base their proprietary web applications on the FOSS stack? How many of these companies would even exist today without Linux or Ruby or MySQL/Postgres? How much do companies contribute back to these projects? Why is it so bad if elementary OS is based on Debian, but it's completely fine when some startup runs on Debian servers?

Not everyone goes around calling people who download free software for free as cheaters. All this backlash is because of the attitude they are showing towards non paying customers.

Re: Elementary OS Freya Beta 2

#35

Post by fernandotakai »

krisgenre wrote: post #34
Siyo wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's your argument, then why do we allow thousands of companies to base their proprietary web applications on the FOSS stack? How many of these companies would even exist today without Linux or Ruby or MySQL/Postgres? How much do companies contribute back to these projects? Why is it so bad if elementary OS is based on Debian, but it's completely fine when some startup runs on Debian servers?

Not everyone goes around calling people who download free software for free as cheaters. All this backlash is because of the attitude they are showing towards non paying customers.

exactly. you don't see redhat calling everyone that uses centos cheaters -- hell, centos is part of redhat (even though it's independent).

Re: Elementary OS Freya Beta 2

#36

Post by Siyo »

krisgenre wrote: post #34
Siyo wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's your argument, then why do we allow thousands of companies to base their proprietary web applications on the FOSS stack? How many of these companies would even exist today without Linux or Ruby or MySQL/Postgres? How much do companies contribute back to these projects? Why is it so bad if elementary OS is based on Debian, but it's completely fine when some startup runs on Debian servers?

Not everyone goes around calling people who download free software for free as cheaters. All this backlash is because of the attitude they are showing towards non paying customers.

What they said is that they want to sell elementary OS. But going completely in that direction is pointless because someone will just fork the project and offer it for free. So what they did is make you enter $0, so when you do get it for free, it feels like you've cheated the system.

What's wrong with that?

Re: Elementary OS Freya Beta 2

#37

Post by krisgenre »

Siyo wrote: post #36
krisgenre wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everyone goes around calling people who download free software for free as cheaters. All this backlash is because of the attitude they are showing towards non paying customers.

What they said is that they want to sell elementary OS. But going completely in that direction is pointless because someone will just fork the project and offer it for free. So what they did is make you enter $0, so when you do get it for free, it feels like you've cheated the system. What's wrong with that?

Let's say everyone starts donating and they receive tons of money. Canonical, Debian and everyone else notices this and starts bitching about how eOS guys cheated the system by earning money off their work but din't pay anything back. Would this still seem right?

Re: Elementary OS Freya Beta 2

#38

Post by [deleted] »

tree_of_item wrote: post #32
nickysielicki wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The elementary devs are idiots for not thinking about what they wanted to get out of this project in the first place. Let's take a look at other open source monetizers: * Red Hat - Provide enterprise support. * Canonical - Provide dumb cloud services and enterprise support * Docker - Provide enterprise support. Where does Elementary fit into any of these models? Oh it doesn't? Then what in god's name were you thinkin…

Please take a minute to realize that you're part of the problem.

[deleted]

Re: Elementary OS Freya Beta 2

#39

Post by psgbg »

nickysielicki wrote: post #27
psgbg wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that was a poorly transmitted message and an overblown story. Probably it should be read as "taking advantage of the system". Look run an Open Source project is costly, as much as making any other kind of software. Or you throw money developing it or time (which can be translated to money). They release the source code of everything, plus is GPL so it's free* software as stated by the FSF (but they have priva…

The elementary devs are idiots for not thinking about what they wanted to get out of this project in the first place. Let's take a look at other open source monetizers: * Red Hat - Provide enterprise support. * Canonical - Provide dumb cloud services and enterprise support * Docker - Provide enterprise support. Where does Elementary fit into any of these models? Oh it doesn't? Then what in god's name were you thinkin…

After reading what said tree_of_item, I think tree_of_item is right.

>I'm toying with the idea right now of registering geteos.com and linking to images of Elementary without an option to pay just as a "Fuck You" to these guys.

That does not do any favor to anyone. Please put the bar of the discussion a little higher. You have right to be upset by their wording use.

You don't like it expose your arguments. If you are going to "fuck" every open project for their mistakes... gosh. Today many people are complaining that the open source community is getting toxic of haters, people threatening, trolls and other people doing bad stuff.

HN is full of smart people, at least if you want to discus acts like that do it elsewhere.

Re: Elementary OS Freya Beta 2

#40

Post by psgbg »

fernandotakai wrote: post #35
krisgenre wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everyone goes around calling people who download free software for free as cheaters. All this backlash is because of the attitude they are showing towards non paying customers.

exactly. you don't see redhat calling everyone that uses centos cheaters -- hell, centos is part of redhat (even though it's independent).

Sorry Red Hat killed Red Hat for end users (in favor of maintaining Red Hat for enterprise users)... And only in recent years admitted it was an error.

So you did chose bad your example. Cent OS was an answer to that, providing a Red Hat binary distribution without any support, for free.

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