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Re: Sublime Text 3 builds picking up steam again

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Post by emsy »

bjz_ wrote: post #20
emsy wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this argument over and over but I've never heard why it's too slow. I enter a key, the text is immediately updated. Sure, starting the editor takes 3 seconds but that's about it. Not only that, but Atom gets a faster startup with every update. The only thing I found bothersome was the 2 MB filesize restriction.

> I've never heard why it's too slow. Because it uses Webkit and Javascript rather than being implemented natively.

I didn't mean technical reasons but what works slowly. Like: I enter a key and the letter shows up with perceivable delay (which in my experience, even with 100.000 lines isn't the case).

One thing I found extremely slow for instance was copy and pasting of large chunks of text, but that's something I only experienced while testing Atom's performance. For my common text manipulation, I've never experienced the slowness that keeps so many from using Atom. I understand that people are bothered by this, but saying "Atom is slow" imho makes Atom appear as this giant unsuably sluggish piece of software that it is not.

Re: Sublime Text 3 builds picking up steam again

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Post by PlzSnow »

alexcason wrote: post #21
emsy wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this argument over and over but I've never heard why it's too slow. I enter a key, the text is immediately updated. Sure, starting the editor takes 3 seconds but that's about it. Not only that, but Atom gets a faster startup with every update. The only thing I found bothersome was the 2 MB filesize restriction.

I use Atom over Sublime Text these days but there's no denying that it's much slower. It'll improve as time goes on but it takes longer to start and can very sluggish when a lot of text is being displayed. I also frequently hit the 2MB limit, far more than I thought I would do.

How can it "improve as time goes on"? The developers chose a technology stack that suited them the developers, but which didn't suit the end users of the software.

This happens sometimes when developers make business decisions.

Any improvements will be in the 20%-30% range. Meanwhile, Sublime Text is 10-100 times faster. Atom is dead, in the long term.

Re: Sublime Text 3 builds picking up steam again

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Post by matthewmacleod »

PlzSnow wrote: post #32
alexcason wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Atom over Sublime Text these days but there's no denying that it's much slower. It'll improve as time goes on but it takes longer to start and can very sluggish when a lot of text is being displayed. I also frequently hit the 2MB limit, far more than I thought I would do.

How can it "improve as time goes on"? The developers chose a technology stack that suited them the developers, but which didn't suit the end users of the software. This happens sometimes when developers make business decisions. Any improvements will be in the 20%-30% range. Meanwhile, Sublime Text is 10-100 times faster. Atom is dead, in the long term.

That's ill-informed.

1. Atom is an open-source developer tool. 'Business decisions' (whatever they are) should take a back seat to 'developer decisions'.

2. The technology stack is not a long-term constraint on performance. It's perfectly feasible that performance will increase substantially over time.

3. Sublime text is not '10-100' times faster.

I'm a massive Sublime fan, and won't be using Atom. But you're spreading FUD.

Re: Sublime Text 3 builds picking up steam again

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Post by PlzSnow »

pgz wrote: post #17
benbristow wrote: post #3

I don't really see much point in Sublime Text now that GitHub's Atom is a pretty much a one->one replica but free, open-source and has a rather nice package manager for plugins.

I don't really like Atom because of the webkit usage, but I strongly agree that using a closed source text editor is a terrible idea for a programmer... when that editor stops being maintained all the time investment learning all it's time saving tricks is lost. Luckily I've been burned really early in my programming career by TextMate to know better: all my tools must be OSS and cross-platform.

I don't understand this line of thinking.

For me a closed-source text editor such as Sublime Text makes me much more productive than it's open-source equivelent. The accumulated productivity gains far outweigh the timecost to learn a new tool, if Sublime Text disappeared (a couple of days at most?).

Re: Sublime Text 3 builds picking up steam again

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Post by PlzSnow »

seanwilson wrote: post #29
gendoikari wrote: post #26

Too late for me. Atom replaces sublime in my workflow.

Same for me at the moment. I've heard a lot of complaints that it cannot open large files and it can be sluggish; I don't regularly need to open large files (I'd rather process large log files from a terminal for instance) and the performance is fine for me. I like that Atom is open source, plugins are written in JavaScript and the rate at which new plugins are coming out is impressive.

I tried Atom for a week. The little half-second delays start to bite after a few days, and after a week you want to throw your computer out the window.

Think about it. It's 2015. My PC has 8 cores running at unimaginable speeds. It has 16 GB of memory. And my text editor couldn't open files over 2097152 bytes.

Am I living on a different planet from everyone else? How can people accept this as a normal situation?

Re: Sublime Text 3 builds picking up steam again

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Post by yAnonymous »

rafaqueque wrote: post #35

I've used ST in the past, but due to slow release cycle, I switched to Vim. What really bugs me in ST is the fact that the guy doesn't have time to work, but still, it's not open source for the community to work together to achieve a decent release cycle.

ST in its current form is better than most other editors, so why would it need a faster release cycle?

Re: Sublime Text 3 builds picking up steam again

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Post by jbrooksuk »

PlzSnow wrote: post #36
seanwilson wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same for me at the moment. I've heard a lot of complaints that it cannot open large files and it can be sluggish; I don't regularly need to open large files (I'd rather process large log files from a terminal for instance) and the performance is fine for me. I like that Atom is open source, plugins are written in JavaScript and the rate at which new plugins are coming out is impressive.

I tried Atom for a week. The little half-second delays start to bite after a few days, and after a week you want to throw your computer out the window. Think about it. It's 2015. My PC has 8 cores running at unimaginable speeds. It has 16 GB of memory. And my text editor couldn't open files over 2097152 bytes. Am I living on a different planet from everyone else? How can people accept this as a normal situation?

I agree completely with this. In my job, I need to open up a lot of CSV files ranging from several MB to hundreds.

Sublime Text, whilst not perfect is far better than anything else out there. It doesn't struggle with these files either.

Re: Sublime Text 3 builds picking up steam again

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Post by Kaligule »

yAnonymous wrote: post #37
rafaqueque wrote: post #35

I've used ST in the past, but due to slow release cycle, I switched to Vim. What really bugs me in ST is the fact that the guy doesn't have time to work, but still, it's not open source for the community to work together to achieve a decent release cycle.

ST in its current form is better than most other editors, so why would it need a faster release cycle?

The Plugin System could do with some polish, for example. Whenever one of my plugins broke it was a complete mess to remove the bad file.

Re: Sublime Text 3 builds picking up steam again

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Post by dmacvicar »

rafaqueque wrote: post #35

I've used ST in the past, but due to slow release cycle, I switched to Vim. What really bugs me in ST is the fact that the guy doesn't have time to work, but still, it's not open source for the community to work together to achieve a decent release cycle.

This.

It is not that the editor is in bad shape. The periods of of inactivity made me feel like the editor could be abandoned or discontinued. I went back to Emacs.

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