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Netflix’s Secret Special Algorithm Is a Human

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Re: Netflix’s Secret Special Algorithm Is a Human

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See also Shazam's Secret

> The hunt keeps Mr. Slomovitz on his toes. Every morning, he skims dozens of music blogs, checking for new releases he might have missed, as well as the iTunes, Amazon.com and Billboard charts, and blog aggregators like the Hype Machine.

Most weeks he also goes to local record stores to see if there is something in stock he has not heard of, or if older albums are being remastered or reissued. And he listens to local radio stations, especially near universities.

"Shazam’s Search for Songs Creates New Music Jobs" http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/14/technology/14shazam.html

Re: Netflix’s Secret Special Algorithm Is a Human

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In other realms, we don't call this data but intelligence . Humans will still make the decisions, but in more and more places, the decisions are more likely to be informed by data (intelligence). Consider that Netflix's data is tiny compared to the amount of data that any government must sift through. Algorithms don't make government decisions, people do. But they (hopefully) base those decisions based on intelligenc…

This is another facet of the "amplified-teams" trend that's been happening over the past few years. This book review of 'Average is over' has some good information about it:

http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/searle20150109

"In his vision intelligent machines will revolutionize everything from medicine to education to business management and negotiation to love. The human beings who will best thrive in this new environment will be those whose work best complements that of intelligent machines, and this will be the case all the way from the factory floor to the classroom."

Very interesting times ahead.

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post #32
post #3

In other realms, we don't call this data but intelligence . Humans will still make the decisions, but in more and more places, the decisions are more likely to be informed by data (intelligence). Consider that Netflix's data is tiny compared to the amount of data that any government must sift through. Algorithms don't make government decisions, people do. But they (hopefully) base those decisions based on intelligenc…

This is another facet of the "amplified-teams" trend that's been happening over the past few years. This book review of 'Average is over' has some good information about it: http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/searle20150109 "In his vision intelligent machines will revolutionize everything from medicine to education to business management and negotiation to love. The human beings who will best thrive in this new envi…

Perhaps another way of stating that is: The people who will best thrive are those whose work cannot be automated. Which, in some ways, has always been true.

Re: Netflix’s Secret Special Algorithm Is a Human

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post #3

In other realms, we don't call this data but intelligence . Humans will still make the decisions, but in more and more places, the decisions are more likely to be informed by data (intelligence). Consider that Netflix's data is tiny compared to the amount of data that any government must sift through. Algorithms don't make government decisions, people do. But they (hopefully) base those decisions based on intelligenc…

In Health Informatics at least this is taken even further

    Data
      X of Y people have some disease
    Information
      Based on data, I can predict disease likelihood
      given some environmental and personal factors of
      a patient
    Knowledge
      Using informed predictions, I make good inferences
      about how to proceed with diagnosis
    Wisdom
      Using knowledge and experience I choose the right
      approach for treating and diagnosing a patient
      which is efficacious, healthy, and works with the
      patient's actual needs
It's easy to draw these lines in other places or to call the tower a lot of woo woo able to be reduced into inferences atop raw data all combined correctly... but it serves to remind just how difficult it is to combine the right data in the right way to make the right decisions at the right times.

It also serves as a sharp counterpoint to the idea of, say, machine learning patient diagnoses. It turns out that diagnostic accuracy is terrible, but not because people are directly bad at it (even if they are) but instead because knowledge/wisdom dictates that perfect accuracy isn't that valuable---perfect care is and that can involve chasing down treatment and care avenues that would never be predicted or acting on information that is not currently in your model.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's simple ROI. There is not that many movies this is a task that one doesn't need to scale with computers. Hiring a guy is likely much cheaper than investing on the software. Plus I am sure there are plenty of people who would like to watch movies for their day jobs. On the other hand, I am pretty sure there is at least some degree of automated video classification at Youtube.

I think it does need to scale. What happens when after a bus event? Someone else has to watch every film in existence? It is not enough to just watch the new films - you have to have a memory of all other films in order to make that association.

Seems reasonable to me that you could have a team of categorizers/critics.

That'd be several times more expensive of course, depending on how many people you added, but I think it also might improve the results if the team was picked well. Finding associations between movies is probably something a group of people can do more effectively than one person, since recall will be better.

There might be an issue of disagreements within the team, but I think at least finding associations between movies would tend to be fairly non-controversial. We might disagree over whether or not The Italian Job is a good movie, but we probably both agree that it is a heist movie.

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Hollywood Video's corporate office had a guy, one guy whose job it was to just watch movies. He'd watch them, make sure it was categorized properly, then create associations with other movies that "you might like" if you like this movie, and vice versa. All kept in a spreadsheet that we later plugged in. We also thought there should be an algorithm, but he was pretty dang good at what he did.

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Re: Netflix’s Secret Special Algorithm Is a Human

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Dao Nguyen @Buzzfeed, "Data should not dictate your strategy," Nguyen says, "But you should understand what data tells you and also what its limits are."[0]. Heard this a few weeks back and still resonating with me.

0 -http://www.marketplace.org/topics/tech/buzzfeed-wizard-who-c...

Re: Netflix’s Secret Special Algorithm Is a Human

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's simple ROI. There is not that many movies this is a task that one doesn't need to scale with computers. Hiring a guy is likely much cheaper than investing on the software. Plus I am sure there are plenty of people who would like to watch movies for their day jobs. On the other hand, I am pretty sure there is at least some degree of automated video classification at Youtube.

I think it does need to scale. What happens when after a bus event? Someone else has to watch every film in existence? It is not enough to just watch the new films - you have to have a memory of all other films in order to make that association.

What about aggregating movie reviews and classifying movies based on their reviews. Would be an interesting problem regardless of accuracy.

Re: Netflix’s Secret Special Algorithm Is a Human

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's simple ROI. There is not that many movies this is a task that one doesn't need to scale with computers. Hiring a guy is likely much cheaper than investing on the software. Plus I am sure there are plenty of people who would like to watch movies for their day jobs. On the other hand, I am pretty sure there is at least some degree of automated video classification at Youtube.

I think it does need to scale. What happens when after a bus event? Someone else has to watch every film in existence? It is not enough to just watch the new films - you have to have a memory of all other films in order to make that association.

> Someone else has to watch every film in existence?

To some extent, all the film program students and film critics provide your backup reserves: they're watching tons of films on their own, and you don't even have to pay them until you hire them.

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The lesson here isn't "Human Judgement > Algorithmic Judgement". It also isn't "Humans are good at some things and computers are good at others". It's that there isn't a good reason to make the investment in solving this particular problem algorithmically (yet).

Algorithms are great when you need scale, especially in situations where a 10% improvement in prediction accuracy can make a big improvement in the bottom line. Netflix and other studios might greenlight several new shows in a year, out of dozens that receive consideration. And the Pareto Distribution is in full effect. Most of the profits and awards come from one or two big hits. Algorithmic decision making just doesn't make a lot of sense in situations with a small sample size and uneven reward structure.

It doesn't mean that it isn't possible, though. If someone were to make the massive investment necessary to do a more thorough analysis of the content creators, the actors, the scripts and potential audiences and all of the other possible inputs then algorithms could probably do as good a job as humans, if not better. Netflix and others have only taken baby steps in this direction, working with data that is readily available and using predictive techniques that are well tested and understood. Given the nature of the problem, it doesn't make sense for them to approach it any other way at this time. But when it comes to making billions of recommendations to millions of people per day, they still rely heavily on data and algorithmic prediction. There's a time and place for everything. The time and place for algorithms in our daily lives is changing and expanding, but very slowly.

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