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LLDB debugger is coming to Windows

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Re: LLDB debugger is coming to Windows

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Post by anon1385 »

0xFFC wrote: post #27
bithush wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially with the Community Edition of VS making it really easy for pretty much anyone to get access to VS. I like GCC and everything but I will be happy to leave it behind if I am honest. The politics are just too damn much for me these days. GCC should be about building a great compiler collection for the world but politics plays too big a part in it as seen with the whole AST debate going on again because of RMS…

for you and people like you of course . people whos care about software freedom of course choosing GCC.

Except the ones who want to do things that are 'forbidden' by RMS. Those people have no choice but to use LLVM. For example, a lot of academic work on compilers and languages can't easily use GCC, neither can people wanting to make more sophisticated tooling.

Re: LLDB debugger is coming to Windows

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Post by vetinari »

anon1385 wrote: post #31
0xFFC wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for you and people like you of course . people whos care about software freedom of course choosing GCC.

Except the ones who want to do things that are 'forbidden' by RMS. Those people have no choice but to use LLVM. For example, a lot of academic work on compilers and languages can't easily use GCC, neither can people wanting to make more sophisticated tooling.

The point of GCC is having a good compiler available to everyone, for any use. Not to be embedded everywhere in the look-but-don't-touch fashion.

See also Linux kernels in most Android phones. That's exactly what GCC authors do not want.

Re: LLDB debugger is coming to Windows

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Post by pjc50 »

anon1385 wrote: post #31
0xFFC wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for you and people like you of course . people whos care about software freedom of course choosing GCC.

Except the ones who want to do things that are 'forbidden' by RMS. Those people have no choice but to use LLVM. For example, a lot of academic work on compilers and languages can't easily use GCC, neither can people wanting to make more sophisticated tooling.

a lot of academic work on compilers and languages can't easily use GCC

Could you explain why not? GPL-incompatible release requirements on the code produced? Admittedly it's not a very accessible codebase either.

Re: LLDB debugger is coming to Windows

#34

Post by pjmlp »

pjc50 wrote: post #33
anon1385 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except the ones who want to do things that are 'forbidden' by RMS. Those people have no choice but to use LLVM. For example, a lot of academic work on compilers and languages can't easily use GCC, neither can people wanting to make more sophisticated tooling.

a lot of academic work on compilers and languages can't easily use GCC Could you explain why not? GPL-incompatible release requirements on the code produced? Admittedly it's not a very accessible codebase either.

I think it has to do with their plugins API, or lack thereof.

Re: LLDB debugger is coming to Windows

#35

Post by DannyBee »

sanxiyn wrote: post #26
DannyBee wrote: post #17

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Probably not, actually. But it also depends on what you count. Google definitely has more people working directly on LLVM itself than Apple (At Google, they almost all work for me, and I know the numbers for Apple). If you start to include related open source projects (like clang, etc), the numbers get closer, but then you have things like all of the Android related open source stuff that gets worked on (Renderscript…

Google and Apple used to be friendly and working on the same open source project named WebKit. Looking at the precedent, it is not unreasonable to consider such things, even if everything is okay in LLVM at the moment.

These projects have very different means and goals. They also have very different governance, etc.

In any case, i'm still not sure what we are "considering" here.

Re: LLDB debugger is coming to Windows

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Post by bithush »

0xFFC wrote: post #27
bithush wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially with the Community Edition of VS making it really easy for pretty much anyone to get access to VS. I like GCC and everything but I will be happy to leave it behind if I am honest. The politics are just too damn much for me these days. GCC should be about building a great compiler collection for the world but politics plays too big a part in it as seen with the whole AST debate going on again because of RMS…

for you and people like you of course . people whos care about software freedom of course choosing GCC.

Clang currently supports my freedoms more than GCC with its political limitations holding it back.

Re: LLDB debugger is coming to Windows

#37

Post by getsat »

Sanddancer wrote: post #25
getsat wrote: post #21

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Isn't Linux support in libc++ still not 100%? I'm using libc++/c++14 on a new project and I love it! Much better than my last experience with c++ (c++98). I was worried about using libc++, but I recently found a great VPS provider which lets you install from an ISO so I can run FreeBSD in production. I no longer have any need for Linux. Develop on OSX, deploy on FreeBSD.

It's not quite 100%. There are still a few outstanding faults, mostly due to different localization assumptions made by the underlying libc. http://libcxx.llvm.org/results.Linux.html

Thanks for the link!
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