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Re: SEO penalties of moving our blog to a subdomain

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Post by spacecowboy_lon »

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #9
rrggrr wrote: post #7

My advice based on recent experience: give it time. We made domain changes and rankings tanked, only to recover. We made a major design change and rankings dived, only to recover. Give Google some time to assess.

Yeah, major design changes are painful. Google Webmaster Tools is currently warning me that we have over 100 404s on various URLs, because those pages simply got removed completely. Actually most of those 100 are the same few pages, but Google indexed it a metric shit-ton of times, and then added each of them to the index, and THEN it penalised us for "spamming." I came in, removed it completely, and set up a robots.…

How does having duplicate content on your domain give you a spamming penty?

And for a site thats been a round for a while only having 100 404's is low - most site owners are v bad at tidying up old defunct urls and using script kiddie platforms like joomla and magento dont help.

Re: SEO penalties of moving our blog to a subdomain

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Post by franze »

spacecowboy_lon wrote: post #29
franze wrote: post #25

what's up with all this SEO bullshit on HN in the last few days? and bullshit it is. let's start, i will try to not let this sound too much like a rant, but i can guarantee nothing. let's do a wittgenstein. do not use the word penalty. a penalty is when you look into google webmaster tools (of all your protocol & subdomains & domains variation and you have a message, that you have a penalty. go on, look into https://…

wow who moved your chease I have seen obvious penalty's on major properties (global 500 publisher) that had no message in GWT.

as i said, i'm doing a wittgenstein here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Wittgenstein

in the public discourse every poor performance is a "penalty" so this word has lost all it's meaning.

if your site is preforming poor (your desired state of traffic != the traffic you have) you do not - per se - have a penalty. if everything is a penalty, nothing is a penalty.

on SEO blogs everything is a penalty, sometimes with %stupid cute animal name here% prefix. this nomenclature really should not spread over to this otherwise great forum.

Re: SEO penalties of moving our blog to a subdomain

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Post by facepalm »

franze wrote: post #25

what's up with all this SEO bullshit on HN in the last few days? and bullshit it is. let's start, i will try to not let this sound too much like a rant, but i can guarantee nothing. let's do a wittgenstein. do not use the word penalty. a penalty is when you look into google webmaster tools (of all your protocol & subdomains & domains variation and you have a message, that you have a penalty. go on, look into https://…

Any other comments on Moz? I thought their reputation was pretty good?

Re: SEO penalties of moving our blog to a subdomain

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Post by franze »

facepalm wrote: post #35
franze wrote: post #25

what's up with all this SEO bullshit on HN in the last few days? and bullshit it is. let's start, i will try to not let this sound too much like a rant, but i can guarantee nothing. let's do a wittgenstein. do not use the word penalty. a penalty is when you look into google webmaster tools (of all your protocol & subdomains & domains variation and you have a message, that you have a penalty. go on, look into https://…

Any other comments on Moz? I thought their reputation was pretty good?

google has 400+ recommendations (specs, recommendations, posts) about what you have to do to perform well in google. without even counting schema.org or other initiatives.

(google) analytics is an unbelievable powerful tool that has at some companies whole teams dedicated to it

google webmaster tools is a unbelievable powerful tool that tells you 80% of everything that is wrong with your site. you can easily make it your half time job to use this tool to the fullest.

google is part of the triangle: your webproperty, the users, google search

your ressources are better invested into these three areas (analytics, webmaster tools, google recommendations) than in a third party with its own interest i.e.: selling tools

Re: SEO penalties of moving our blog to a subdomain

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Post by wintermute306 »

facepalm wrote: post #35
franze wrote: post #25

what's up with all this SEO bullshit on HN in the last few days? and bullshit it is. let's start, i will try to not let this sound too much like a rant, but i can guarantee nothing. let's do a wittgenstein. do not use the word penalty. a penalty is when you look into google webmaster tools (of all your protocol & subdomains & domains variation and you have a message, that you have a penalty. go on, look into https://…

Any other comments on Moz? I thought their reputation was pretty good?

It has. Their software is not bad to be honest, a lot of SEOs think Moz is the be all end all but they aren't. There is a ton of hate for them as well which is unjust considering how much they've contributed to the industry.

Re: SEO penalties of moving our blog to a subdomain

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Post by wintermute306 »

franze wrote: post #25

what's up with all this SEO bullshit on HN in the last few days? and bullshit it is. let's start, i will try to not let this sound too much like a rant, but i can guarantee nothing. let's do a wittgenstein. do not use the word penalty. a penalty is when you look into google webmaster tools (of all your protocol & subdomains & domains variation and you have a message, that you have a penalty. go on, look into https://…

This is complete bullshit. Not reading SEO blogs is a TERRIBLE bit of advice. Read everything, and read it with a pinch of salt (Google's info more than most).

Re: SEO penalties of moving our blog to a subdomain

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Post by TeMPOraL »

blumkvist wrote: post #28
netheril96 wrote: post #27

I am a complete noob regarding SEO. My naive interpretation of the drop in rating is that it takes time for Google to rebuild the index. It needs not only the content on your website, but links from other websites and people's clicking habit to determine the ranking. On what level is my interpretation wrong?

Google treats subdomains (almost) like completely different sites. Links to the root domain do not count for the subdomain and vice versa.

AFAIK it treats some common subdomains (e.g. "blog.") as part of the main site.

Re: SEO penalties of moving our blog to a subdomain

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Post by franze »

wintermute306 wrote: post #38
franze wrote: post #25

what's up with all this SEO bullshit on HN in the last few days? and bullshit it is. let's start, i will try to not let this sound too much like a rant, but i can guarantee nothing. let's do a wittgenstein. do not use the word penalty. a penalty is when you look into google webmaster tools (of all your protocol & subdomains & domains variation and you have a message, that you have a penalty. go on, look into https://…

This is complete bullshit. Not reading SEO blogs is a TERRIBLE bit of advice. Read everything, and read it with a pinch of salt (Google's info more than most).

well, if you prioritize googles information on top of the other stuff, then there won't be an issue, as people would never find enough time to reach the other stuff, as googles information on the topic is very, very extensive.

sadly a lot of people are not very good at prioritising information intake, that is why i stick with my "do not read SEO blogs" recommendation.

the logic behind this is actually quite simple

let's say: x% of everything written in Z is bullshit (incl. deprecated or no longer valid).

let's agree that if Z is "seo blogs" then x is higher compared to the case where Z is "google recommendation", then it is always a better investment to read an item of x if Z is "google recommendation".

i would place the values of x something like this

  if Z is "seo blogs" then x is 80
  if Z is "google recommendation" then x is 20
>and read it with a pinch of salt

if we substitute "with a pinch of salt" with "flamethrower" then yes.

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