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British Prime Minister Suggests Banning Some Online Messaging Apps

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Re: British Prime Minister Suggests Banning Some Online Messaging Apps

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Post by MisterWebz »

Cyther606 wrote: post #20
sd8f9iu wrote: post #11

Honestly, why do people think that a terrorist attack like this requires any dramatic changes to society? The fact is that some guys got guns and shot up a building, in the name of a currently popular, violent ideology. When will we ever be able to completely eradicate this? The number of people killed per year in the Western world due to terrorist attacks is incredibly low. Perhaps we don't need a routing of our sec…

Because shocking attacks get the public's attention. With all eyes on the TV screen, it's the perfect time to introduce public policy changes that strip people of their rights. All the better if I can defend my statements by inciting a sense of nationalism or publicly shared responsibility for preventing future heinous crimes. This is the raw video of the shooting of the French policeman: http://www.liveleak.com/view…

Your theory doesn't make any sense. If this was indeed a false flag, then why would they go through the extra effort to fake the killing of a person?

Re: British Prime Minister Suggests Banning Some Online Messaging Apps

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Post by [deleted] »

Cyther606 wrote: post #27
rosser wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you for reals calling false-flag on the Charlie Hebdo attack?

Quoting Dr. Paul Craig Roberts: > Among these purposes is bringing France back into Washington’s orbit. The French president had recently said that the sanctions against Russia should be terminated. > Hollande was allying himself with French economic interests instead of with Washington’s hegemonic foreign policy. > Another purpose is to stifle the growing European sympathy for the Palestinians and to realign Europe…

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Re: British Prime Minister Suggests Banning Some Online Messaging Apps

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Post by DenisM »

Cyther606 wrote: post #20
sd8f9iu wrote: post #11

Honestly, why do people think that a terrorist attack like this requires any dramatic changes to society? The fact is that some guys got guns and shot up a building, in the name of a currently popular, violent ideology. When will we ever be able to completely eradicate this? The number of people killed per year in the Western world due to terrorist attacks is incredibly low. Perhaps we don't need a routing of our sec…

Because shocking attacks get the public's attention. With all eyes on the TV screen, it's the perfect time to introduce public policy changes that strip people of their rights. All the better if I can defend my statements by inciting a sense of nationalism or publicly shared responsibility for preventing future heinous crimes. This is the raw video of the shooting of the French policeman: http://www.liveleak.com/view…

Oh jeez.

Ok, pretend for a moment that you're the terrible neocon type, who would stop at nothing to get France back into Washington's orbit or whatever. Which one of two options would you chose?

1. Pretend that there is some shooting, but don't shoot actual bullets. Make an elaborate show, and be sure not to screw it up - it's all recorded.

2. Pay a couple of disgruntled guys a small stack of cash to go and shoot up a journal office. Actual guys, actual rifles, actual bullets, legit videos.

Seriously. You have to assume those "neocons" are drooling idiots to believe any of this "look at the video!1!!" stuff.

Re: British Prime Minister Suggests Banning Some Online Messaging Apps

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Post by idlemind »

I can't tell whether this is hubris, technical naïveté or just an attempt to garner votes. Possibly all three. But let's assume they are proposing a ban on communications methods that cannot be lawfully intercepted (that's certainly how Cameron words it).

Firstly, we know it's technically infeasible, secondly it would have a serious chilling effect on UK Internet companies and the digital economy, and thirdly it would actually take very popular apps and tools from young voters hands. So does he really think people will be panicked enough by the threat of terrorism to vote for it?

Re: British Prime Minister Suggests Banning Some Online Messaging Apps

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Post by DenisM »

bjackman wrote: post #21

I'm surprised to find that this story has hit me pretty hard emotionally. The stuff Cameron and Theresa May are saying these days is really quite extreme. I feel totally abandoned by politics and genuinely, deeply frightened about the direction our legislature is headed. Is this a part of growing up? The mainstream is so far away from my own views that I don't have any voice. I'm really starting to see why a lot of l…

Anxiety is more about mental health than it's about circumstances. If it gets in the way of living, you should get it checked out. You can still fight for the right thing, as you see it, when you're not anxious anymore.

Re: British Prime Minister Suggests Banning Some Online Messaging Apps

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Post by the8472 »

Sir_Substance wrote: post #28

This is good news! By watching which messaging tools are banned in the UK, we will have a canonical list of which messaging tools GCHQ cannot breach. Thanks David!

It's more likely that it would be a blanket ban even covering applications that are not particularly hardened simply because they don't have any official wiretapping capability.

Re: British Prime Minister Suggests Banning Some Online Messaging Apps

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Post by scott_karana »

Sir_Substance wrote: post #28

This is good news! By watching which messaging tools are banned in the UK, we will have a canonical list of which messaging tools GCHQ cannot breach. Thanks David!

Far more likely case: Cameron wants to ban "scary" communications, and hasn't talked to GHCQ at all.

Re: British Prime Minister Suggests Banning Some Online Messaging Apps

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Post by untog »

Cyther606 wrote: post #27
rosser wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you for reals calling false-flag on the Charlie Hebdo attack?

Quoting Dr. Paul Craig Roberts: > Among these purposes is bringing France back into Washington’s orbit. The French president had recently said that the sanctions against Russia should be terminated. > Hollande was allying himself with French economic interests instead of with Washington’s hegemonic foreign policy. > Another purpose is to stifle the growing European sympathy for the Palestinians and to realign Europe…

Let's be honest with ourselves - there is not one shred of evidence in there. Yes, for the reasons you state, America could have staged a false flag attack. But that's just a list assembled after the fact to suit the narrative the author has already created.

"And there can be other purposes not apparent to me."

Oh, well, why didn't you say? Wrap this one up as a one and done case, then!

It goes without saying that he is also a 9/11 Truther:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts#September_11...

Re: British Prime Minister Suggests Banning Some Online Messaging Apps

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Post by untog »

Cyther606 wrote: post #30
Cyther606 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because shocking attacks get the public's attention. With all eyes on the TV screen, it's the perfect time to introduce public policy changes that strip people of their rights. All the better if I can defend my statements by inciting a sense of nationalism or publicly shared responsibility for preventing future heinous crimes. This is the raw video of the shooting of the French policeman: http://www.liveleak.com/view…

I may not be active duty military and a ballistics expert but I implore you to watch this quick video of the shooting: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc6_1420632668 Here it is again in slow motion, zoomed in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_c4IUO6h7w Kalashnikov rifles chambered at 7.62mm exhibit greater than zero recoil under the best of circumstances. It simply isn't credible to state that a Kalashnikov rifle wil…

You just admitted you are not a ballistics expert.

- How do you know how much recoil that rifle will generate?

- How much blood splatter should you expect? Where do you get this information from?

- How fast or slow does a bullet have to be going to be visible on a phone camera video?

Given the statements you are making, I assume you already have all this information.

Re: British Prime Minister Suggests Banning Some Online Messaging Apps

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Post by stephenr »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #17
stephenr wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One only needs to watch Boris Johnson (mayor of London) in his top gear appearance several years ago (just the driving part is enough) to understand how utterly stupid this man is. He is a trained seal that performs for treats.

I used to think that but I read somewhere an ex-employee said that it's all an act. If it is clearly it works because he's liked by too many people. The worry of course is that it's likely he'll end up running for Prime Minister someday soon.

Whether he's an idiot who acts like an idiot or a genius who acts like an idiot so people like him, he's still acting like an idiot.

Just further evidence that politicians are inherently crazy, by their nature of wanting to be politicians

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