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Why Do All Records Sound the Same?

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Re: Why Do All Records Sound the Same?

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Live mics. Live guitars, bass & drums. One take. Play loud. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iaINsgFHVs&spfreload=10

Reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXzFCS72QIA intro piano glitch. 4 guys in a small room, 4 track recorder, no edit.

Nice!

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This reminds me of this recent popular YouTube mashup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vapt5C3yDeY 6 recent hit country songs combined into one. They blend into each other perfectly.

That's hilarious, but it sounds like those tunes were pitch shifted into the same key. Nashville producers have more skill than that. Oh, and FL/GA line is frigging awful.

The pitch and tempos are shifted, but more nefariously, the pieces of the songs which don't fit the VI-I-V progression are removed and replaced by pieces of other songs which do fit. It's deliberate and meticulous cherry-picking. The only thing all the songs have in common is that they're in 4/4 and the verses and choruses all start on the VI chord. I should make a table showing the actual chord progressions from each song and how the creator deliberately masked out the parts of each song which are different from the baseline the creator chose.

Re: Why Do All Records Sound the Same?

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Stuff like this reminds me a lot of sugary simple-carb-laden junk food. The holy grail of popular marketing is to find a way to tap into some kind of simple and probably very evolutionarily ancient "craving" or "desire" pathway in the brain. Seems like they've learned a whole collection of hacks to do this with music, and are now just cranking out manufactured pop music full of those hacks. Combined with repetition i…

> The question is whether people will ever get smarter and start being picky.

The market for music is typically youth. So people probably do get smarter, start being picky, and stop being youth. But there's always another generation right behind.

Re: Why Do All Records Sound the Same?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's hilarious, but it sounds like those tunes were pitch shifted into the same key. Nashville producers have more skill than that. Oh, and FL/GA line is frigging awful.

The pitch and tempos are shifted, but more nefariously, the pieces of the songs which don't fit the VI-I-V progression are removed and replaced by pieces of other songs which do fit. It's deliberate and meticulous cherry-picking. The only thing all the songs have in common is that they're in 4/4 and the verses and choruses all start on the VI chord. I should make a table showing the actual chord progressions from eac…

Please do, that would be an interesting companion piece to this.

Re: Why Do All Records Sound the Same?

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Stuff like this reminds me a lot of sugary simple-carb-laden junk food. The holy grail of popular marketing is to find a way to tap into some kind of simple and probably very evolutionarily ancient "craving" or "desire" pathway in the brain. Seems like they've learned a whole collection of hacks to do this with music, and are now just cranking out manufactured pop music full of those hacks. Combined with repetition i…

> The question is whether people will ever get smarter and start being picky. The market for music is typically youth. So people probably do get smarter, start being picky, and stop being youth. But there's always another generation right behind.

At the same time other factors kicks in. As you get older you have less free time, you may or may not want to discover new things, you just listen to some easy songs on your way to work, and start to like them because they're part of your daily routine.

Re: Why Do All Records Sound the Same?

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We are already starting to win the loudness war now thanks to iTunes SoundCheck. I'm not an iTunes user but as far as I understand it, it causes iTunes to adjust all tunes in a mix to the same perceptual loudness. If everyone adopted this or a similar technology (such as the open ReplayGain) there would be no incentive to master loud any more, for albums at least, because the player will only turn it down again meaning the net result is only loss of quality. Hopefully iTunes support for this tech is a turning point in the loudness war.

Re: Why Do All Records Sound the Same?

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I like music, really like music, but haven't been able to listen to pop music since I discovered Beethoven late one night on a radio while going to sleep. Now I like, say http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Cello+Suite+No+1+Bach/3seBIM?src...

It has been mentioned on HN before, but you might still be interested in http://allofbach.com/nl/bwv/bwv-1007/detail/ It's relevant to the discussion, since the masterful recording of these pieces is itself a work of art.

This is so beautiful; I'd never seen it before, thank you.

Re: Why Do All Records Sound the Same?

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We are already starting to win the loudness war now thanks to iTunes SoundCheck. I'm not an iTunes user but as far as I understand it, it causes iTunes to adjust all tunes in a mix to the same perceptual loudness. If everyone adopted this or a similar technology (such as the open ReplayGain) there would be no incentive to master loud any more, for albums at least, because the player will only turn it down again meani…

Though it also has drawbacks, especially when listening to full albums - suddenly the ambient interlude track in the middle of an album is sounding as loud as the loud tracks around it.

Re: Why Do All Records Sound the Same?

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Live mics. Live guitars, bass & drums. One take. Play loud. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iaINsgFHVs&spfreload=10

I love all the Beatles songs where you can hear the guitar amps causing the bass drum to rattle a bit. Reminds me of when I played in bands.

More recently, Greg Graffin's folk album "Cold as the Clay" was very deliberately recorded with everyone in one room. It sounds good.

Re: Why Do All Records Sound the Same?

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I like music, really like music, but haven't been able to listen to pop music since I discovered Beethoven late one night on a radio while going to sleep. Now I like, say http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Cello+Suite+No+1+Bach/3seBIM?src...

It has been mentioned on HN before, but you might still be interested in http://allofbach.com/nl/bwv/bwv-1007/detail/ It's relevant to the discussion, since the masterful recording of these pieces is itself a work of art.

Gee, it can be played that way, too! Well, the interpretation is consistent across the parts!

The cello sound is gorgeous beyond belief: I can't believe it's just performer, rosin, strings, bow, and room and also has to be one totally gorgeous cello. Beyond belief sound! Don't dare move the sound post or change the bridge!

Thanks!

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