He implies that Grunt is dead on the first slide. Well don't I feel stupid since I still use it. I guess it's not cool anymore? I missed the memo. Wait, maybe I'm not cool? What do the cool kids use now instead of Grunt?
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#32Okay, so React is not fully reactive. But to say people shouldn't use it because it's not reactive? because it abstracts virtual-dom? because it should be more reactive-friendly?! Seems like the author was offended they said they are reactive, and made a non-informative presentation, that comes off as a rant because of the rising popularity. Edit: looking at his Cycle framework's "Why?" on github, besides the part of…
Actually you are wrong. Follow him and others on twitter and you will see that they are some of the most forward thinking people on these types of frontend technologies. om and elm.are the future, which is functional and immutable. React is the gateway to those technologies, which have a long and strong academic foundation. The days of hacking together things on the frontend are over, more sound approaches are needed…
I've been following the "virtual-dom movement" since I started using React, which is a few months by now, including Mercury, Mithril and it's not the first time I run into Cycle. I agree they are taking these ideas further and actually am excited about the progress they are making, but the approach of "Don't Use This" and "Actually you are wrong", and "Those days are over" does not serve their cause.
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#33So...is he basically saying it should be more like Angular?
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#34He implies that Grunt is dead on the first slide. Well don't I feel stupid since I still use it. I guess it's not cool anymore? I missed the memo. Wait, maybe I'm not cool? What do the cool kids use now instead of Grunt?
Maybe they use Gulp. I don't even know anymore...
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#35All this links to is a page that does nothing (tested on FF and Chrome). Is there a point this is trying to make? The link itself is meaningless. If I am missing something, kindly let me know...
It has an increased barrier to entry to sort out those capable of reading it -- namely, being familiar with web slideshows and knowing to press the right arrow...
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually you are wrong. Follow him and others on twitter and you will see that they are some of the most forward thinking people on these types of frontend technologies. om and elm.are the future, which is functional and immutable. React is the gateway to those technologies, which have a long and strong academic foundation. The days of hacking together things on the frontend are over, more sound approaches are needed…
Om is built on top of React. I'm not sure how you reconcile "React sucks" with "Om is the future" given that.
>I'm not sure how you reconcile "React sucks" with "Om is the future" given that.
Maybe it fixes all the sucky parts?
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#38Wow, what an aggressive way to promote your own little open source app. I fully agree: of course React gets a lot wrong, being a pioneer and all. The way JS often goes, I bet one of the many alternatives that pop up actually will turn out like something. But attacking it like that isn't going to get you many friends.
> Wow, what an aggressive way to promote your own little open source app. Yeah, makes me not want to try it. This guy should let someone else handle the marketing.
Maybe his marketing strategy was to only draw in people who use technology based on the merits of said technology and purposefully alienate the people who need an emotional connection to be convinced?
I can certainly see the merits of trying to gain pragmatic mind share first before the buzzword technology crowd joins in and makes things more complicated.
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#39Instead of the down voting nonsense, read this:
http://computationallyendowed.com/blog/2014/07/20/reactive-m...
Basically: view m0 = r0 view (m1 = handler e0 m0) = r1 view (m2 = handler e1 m1) = r2
Or just down vote and learn nothing.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually you are wrong. Follow him and others on twitter and you will see that they are some of the most forward thinking people on these types of frontend technologies. om and elm.are the future, which is functional and immutable. React is the gateway to those technologies, which have a long and strong academic foundation. The days of hacking together things on the frontend are over, more sound approaches are needed…
Om is built on top of React. I'm not sure how you reconcile "React sucks" with "Om is the future" given that.
Om will also always have limited reach because it uses Clojurescript. I know that some people love it but I personally don't, and if nothing else it is an extra barrier for entry that some just won't get past.