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Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Travelling in China right now. No Google services work but Gmail via SMTP on my iPhone seems fine. I'm not confident all emails go through though. Heading to Hong Kong tonight so not sure if that will be different. Using VPN does open everything but obviously becomes slower. It's not only Google though, all social media. Speaking to locals they don't care. There is an alternative for everything and they are better su…

>>Speaking to locals they don't care Locals don't care that they can't use certain American sites, or don't care that they are intellectually oppressed?

We do care. The problem is: What can we do? Using technical method to get through GFW? Well, it works now but technically, Chinese government controls all Internet facility and they do not even care to block thousands of IPs, even if it means block the whole Internet (It happened in Xinjiang and Tibet.) Moreover, ISPs constantly throttle the international data which means connecting to a server outside GFW may be very slow or even randomly disconnected. In short, any technical solution does not work on a government who controls the country's Internet facilities and does not care to pull the plug. Other solutions? You cannot turn to traditional media like newspapers and TVs, because they are, as well, controlled by the government, which is in turn controlled by a single party. There's also no way to make any meaningful non-violence political influence. The government is not voted by the people so they just don't care whatever their people say. The only possible way is to use violence, but we do not have guns.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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The "Great Firewall" in China has over 600 million active Internet users. That's double the population of the United States. Baidu is the dominating search engine, there are replacement services for Twitter, Facebook, and others. Their IM "Wechat" has over 300 million active users alone. In all reality, Google, Facebook, and others would _love_ to have even the smallest presence in China to get access to that user ba…

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Re: Gmail blocked in China

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The "Great Firewall" in China has over 600 million active Internet users. That's double the population of the United States. Baidu is the dominating search engine, there are replacement services for Twitter, Facebook, and others. Their IM "Wechat" has over 300 million active users alone. In all reality, Google, Facebook, and others would _love_ to have even the smallest presence in China to get access to that user ba…

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Re: Gmail blocked in China

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The "Great Firewall" in China has over 600 million active Internet users. That's double the population of the United States. Baidu is the dominating search engine, there are replacement services for Twitter, Facebook, and others. Their IM "Wechat" has over 300 million active users alone. In all reality, Google, Facebook, and others would _love_ to have even the smallest presence in China to get access to that user ba…

We got ourselves a big old steaming 五毛党.

How about you rip up your US student visa and return to your 土包子 parent's apartment in Shanghai.

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#35
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a red herring. That is one weak excuse for China's violation of human rights. Yeah, most of the world lacked human rights in the past, so what?

This is not an excuse for China's violation of natural human rights. I'm just putting some attention to idea that Tibet is probably not the most terrified-by-China territory, rather the other way round.

The other way around? What other way around? People in China are terrified by Tibet, because of Tibet's historic human rights violations? Like the Chinese are scared that Tibet might invade and take over China? Really?

I mean, I suppose Americans are terrified of the Pakistani children their military is killing with drones too.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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post #29

No no no this is bad journalism. Is not just blocking "access" to gmail, but one out of of five Gmail's MX servers are blocked gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com (74.125.31.26, blocked) alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com to be specific, all traffic to address of 74.125.31.0/24, including gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com, got null routed af…

Why doesn't my tunnel work in China?

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post #19
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not an excuse for China's violation of natural human rights. I'm just putting some attention to idea that Tibet is probably not the most terrified-by-China territory, rather the other way round.

Human rights are a luxury of stable, developed countries. If autocratic governments are too liberal with them, they can lose their power, and that can end up worse than all the human rights problems put together (ie civil war). See Iraq or Syria for example.

Or human rights are a requirement to become a stable, developed country.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

#38

Travelling in China right now. No Google services work but Gmail via SMTP on my iPhone seems fine. I'm not confident all emails go through though. Heading to Hong Kong tonight so not sure if that will be different. Using VPN does open everything but obviously becomes slower. It's not only Google though, all social media. Speaking to locals they don't care. There is an alternative for everything and they are better su…

>There is an alternative for everything and they are better suited to Chinese culture too.

Well good for them, either way with this policy the Chinese government enforces, I don't think China will be able to compete internationally in the software industry.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

#39
post #29

No no no this is bad journalism. Is not just blocking "access" to gmail, but one out of of five Gmail's MX servers are blocked gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com (74.125.31.26, blocked) alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com to be specific, all traffic to address of 74.125.31.0/24, including gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com, got null routed af…

Why doesn't my tunnel work in China?

The issue is that Google's mail servers can't communicate with servers within China, so any user of a Chinese mail service will not be able to send mail to Gmail users (and vice versa). If you are within China using a VPN to access Gmail, Google still can't send emails back in to Chinese machines.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Speaking to locals they don't care Locals don't care that they can't use certain American sites, or don't care that they are intellectually oppressed?

We do care. The problem is: What can we do? Using technical method to get through GFW? Well, it works now but technically, Chinese government controls all Internet facility and they do not even care to block thousands of IPs, even if it means block the whole Internet (It happened in Xinjiang and Tibet.) Moreover, ISPs constantly throttle the international data which means connecting to a server outside GFW may be ver…

"The only possible way is to use violence, but we do not have guns."

Well, there's a few options left, no?

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