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Mix of Bacteria in Gut May Depend More on Diet Than Genes

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Re: Mix of Bacteria in Gut May Depend More on Diet Than Genes

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So do we know yet what sort of diet cultivates a microflora biome that encourages healthy weight loss? I'm asking for a friend...

It's easy to find diets for losing weight in general, but I'm curious if we know enough to create a diet to make a microflora composition that can help the weight loss process along. I keep seeing mentions of the microflora factor influencing weight gain, so I'm assuming there's a way to cultivate it to help with loss as well.

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The real yogurt is the Bulgarian yogurt, not low-fat high-sugar ones sold at store in the States. Only an idiot will eat a probiotic "yogurt" with 30g of sugars in the small container and think they are doing good to their health! Fortunately, there are two brands [0] of the original sold at Whole Foods today (one, unfortunately, available only on the East Coast [1]), but they are too sour for the American to like. D…

If one is sufficiently motivated (and can utilize all the product), it's not hard to make ones own yogurt, with starter. For that case, you could find your favourite local milk and make yogurt who's ingredients you are certain of, because you put them in. http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Yogurt

This is true and might be surprising that Bulgarians are not accustomed to make their own yogurt, because stores are full of high-quality one that's cheap (unlike the $6-7/jar in the States). Kefir is also great and can also be made at home. My favorite is Lifeway [0].

[0] http://www.lifeway.net/Products/OrganicKefir/WholeMilkKefir/...

Re: Mix of Bacteria in Gut May Depend More on Diet Than Genes

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So do we know yet what sort of diet cultivates a microflora biome that encourages healthy weight loss? I'm asking for a friend... It's easy to find diets for losing weight in general, but I'm curious if we know enough to create a diet to make a microflora composition that can help the weight loss process along. I keep seeing mentions of the microflora factor influencing weight gain, so I'm assuming there's a way to c…

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=gut+bacteria+obesity

Re: Mix of Bacteria in Gut May Depend More on Diet Than Genes

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So do we know yet what sort of diet cultivates a microflora biome that encourages healthy weight loss? I'm asking for a friend... It's easy to find diets for losing weight in general, but I'm curious if we know enough to create a diet to make a microflora composition that can help the weight loss process along. I keep seeing mentions of the microflora factor influencing weight gain, so I'm assuming there's a way to c…

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Re: Mix of Bacteria in Gut May Depend More on Diet Than Genes

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We're slowly coming to understand that antibiotics are very unkind to our gut flora and are a prime suspect in subsequent weight gain. Post-antibiotic diet could be a critical intervention to keep patients from falling into the grasp of obesity. A NY Times article earlier this year gives a background on how the rise of antibiotics has been accompanied by a rise in weight among animals and humans alike: http://www.nyt…

Cipro did wonders on my intestinal tract, effectively killing everything including the good. Had nine days of that to fight an under the skin infection/etc. Months after I started having problems with food, restrooms were becoming my second home and my commute was planned around easy access to them. You never want to experience life where one bit of food can send you off.

Six doctor visits, stool and blood tests later, the doctors found what moved in. New antibiotics and replenishment medicines, diet with lots of probiotics, and within a few months I was back to mostly normal.

My story is simple, if you end up on harsh antibiotics it can change your life. Plan for it.

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You dispute that mental illness is a thing that exists?

It is known that the reliability of psychiatric diagnoses is non-existent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment Edit: It is ok to downvote if you disagree. But think what it says about you if you are downvoting facts .

That links to an experiment that -proves- suggests it's possible to game psychiatric diagnosis, not that mental illness doesn't exist.

edit: btw the way, I've been here for like 5 years now and I still don't know what flavor of Markdown is used here.

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This study examined two new things: 1. The speed at which the microbiome can change ( 2. The permanence of such changes (some of them are more permanent than others)

Those aren't particularly new things to study. We have tons of murine data on the subject and quite a few PhD students over the last 4-6 years have done their PhDs on microbiota and diet with themselves as the guinea pig, so to speak (2-4 year longitudinals). There are a couple mouse papers out that don't directly address the issue in 2, but that permanence (or lack thereof) played prominent roles in their findings.

Yeah, you know what, you're right. Did a bit more googling around and there's tons of stuff on both. Sorry!

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Here is a case where the research is lagging the knowledge base. Every holistic MD has, for decades, preached eating foods enriched with healthy bacteria. What we need now is research that looks at outcomes.

If you put a chip down on every number at a roulette wheel, you can experience the joy of winning with nearly every spin! Yet, strangely, the stack of chips dwindles instead of grows....

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You dispute that mental illness is a thing that exists?

It is known that the reliability of psychiatric diagnoses is non-existent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment Edit: It is ok to downvote if you disagree. But think what it says about you if you are downvoting facts .

The facts you present don't support an answer to the above question.

Re: Mix of Bacteria in Gut May Depend More on Diet Than Genes

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Antibiotics don't wipe out all the bacteria, just some of them. Its a bit of a problem because if some are effected less by the antibiotic, you can change the balance when the bacteria populations bounce back. The bacteria that are there do set up shop and don't like others crowding in. We don't really enough enough about what should be the optimal mix of bacteria to make someone healthy. They do "fecal" transplants…

I've read a bit about fecal transplants and they apparently have good results. I just wanted to oversimplify and remove as many variables as possible before introducing new ones. No longer liking the idea...

Another option is to skip the antibiotic and use a probiotic to nudge your microbiome toward healthier regions. I am aware of two modern probiotics that might help you:

repoopulate - http://www.microbiomejournal.com/content/1/1/3

equilibrium - http://www.generalbiotics.com

Both of them are designed thinking of ecosystems more than individual strains (repoopulate has 33 strains, equilibrium has 115). Of course, these aren’t an alternative to FMT if you’re treating a disease… but for general health/wellness I think they’re both quite good.

disclosure: I worked on equilibrium

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