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Re: An Offer to Sony from 2600

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PSN for starters.

I don't know much about PSN but is it restricted to Playstation owners?

PSN is just the Playstation-targeted wing of their Sony Entertainment Network, which is cross platform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Entertainment_Network

They have the means and the platform. Blaming it on others when they have their own internal platforms is blatant blame-shifting and nothing more.

Re: An Offer to Sony from 2600

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If anything I think this shows how poorly the US Gov is prepared for cyber-warfare. The last decade was no cake walk, but the next decade will truly be eye opening. The FBI told Sony they didn't know if the theaters were safe. Seriously, WTF are we paying them for if they can't tell us, with absolute certainty, that our theaters are safe from terrorist attacks on Christmas. That's not very comforting... So what I'm h…

I'm sure this will be the argument in Congress for 2015. I think these attacks could be reduced by holding companies financially responsible. First, insurers shouldn't be allowed to exclude terrorist attacks in their policies. Second, forcing arbitration or excluding class-action should be unenforceable in a contract. Third, we could establish clearer standards for what constitutes negligence in IT. edit: And this mi…

It's hard to grapple with, but our systems--our entire network infrastructure--is simply not designed to withstand these types of attacks. It's very safe to assume that you literally cannot protect yourself from this kind of network intrusion. I know it's fun to rail on Sony, and surely they didn't make the hackers job particularly difficult, but victim blaming isn't useful.

I think it's likely that fallout cost from this breach will cost Sony hundreds of millions of dollars. It's almost an existential crisis the amount of damage this hack has done. The information disclosure was complete. The hackers took a scorched-earth policy on the way out. They got hit mind-blowingly hard. I do have sympathy with the house of pain they are in, and I don't think they need any more financial incentive than what they are already looking square in the face.

I don't think the story here is about negligence in IT. Even Google has been hacked very badly in its time. There are two kinds of companies, the ones who have been publicly hacked, and the ones that just haven't discovered it yet.

The real story here is we are seeing an escalation in cyber-warfare. This is not "hacking" in any sense. This is extortion, humiliation, and subjugation. It's very sad to watch.

Re: An Offer to Sony from 2600

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I still have a hard time believing NK did this without any definitive evidence. Wasn't it last December that NK was sending fax messages to communicate with SK? Now they can download Terabytes from Sony without anyone noticing?

I also feel that it would be super-easy to just nullroute North Korea and be done with this "state sponsored terrorism" in about three seconds.

Early evidence suggested that one of the data dumps was carried out from a hotel in Thailand, so cutting off NK's internet wouldn't help protect from that much.

Re: An Offer to Sony from 2600

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I still have a hard time believing NK did this without any definitive evidence. Wasn't it last December that NK was sending fax messages to communicate with SK? Now they can download Terabytes from Sony without anyone noticing?

They can use money to hire hackers. In fact, most of the world operates this way.

Re: An Offer to Sony from 2600

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anything I think this shows how poorly the US Gov is prepared for cyber-warfare. The last decade was no cake walk, but the next decade will truly be eye opening. The FBI told Sony they didn't know if the theaters were safe. Seriously, WTF are we paying them for if they can't tell us, with absolute certainty, that our theaters are safe from terrorist attacks on Christmas. That's not very comforting... So what I'm h…

Ehhh I'm not sure I agree. I think Cyber-warfare could be called "silent War", or at least "War with a lag". It's certainly possible, given what we know re Snowden about the capabilities of the NSA et al, that we've responded already and we haven't (or won't) see the results, at least not in the near term and probably not as spectacular as a successful Drone strike on a military compound. Having spent time deployed,…

"Administration officials said President Obama’s national security team is considering a range of options to retaliate against those responsible for the cyberattack on the movie studio" [1]

I agree it's very early days. I think what I'm fixating on is that we now live in a world where the US government needs to formulate a response to a business hacking. I mean, not a civil but actual military response.

I think this is a reality that even the Top 1% of commercial networks are simply not prepared for. There won't be any lag when more crucial services come under attack.

White House homeland security and counterterrorism adviser Lisa Monaco: As the volume, frequency and intensity of cyberthreats increase, Monaco’s biggest fear is intrusive threats turning destructive. She called cyber “one of the gravest national and economic security threats we face.” [2]

[1] - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/18/white-house-...

[2] - http://www.fedtechmagazine.com/article/2014/12/white-house-w...

Re: An Offer to Sony from 2600

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Let us relook the issue here. Is it hackers attack on Sony or Sony making a movie on North Korean ruler(as I understand) or both? Every human/culture has likes,dislikes ...etc and every one expect others not crossing those lines for peaceful co-existence. In democracy, no doubt, there is freedom of expression but if that expression is uncomfortable to other, then there is responsibility to control/prevent that expres…

a few years back we had Team America[0] in which kim jong il is painted as a crazy terrorist and in the end dies after the american world police gets to him, and is revealed to be an alien cockroach when he gets impaled on a tube.

Apparently, that movie was ok, so why shouldn't this have been?

There is always people whose sensitivity gets hurt by movies and books, but this should not automatically lead to stopping publishing.

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_America:_World_Police

Re: An Offer to Sony from 2600

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Let us relook the issue here. Is it hackers attack on Sony or Sony making a movie on North Korean ruler(as I understand) or both? Every human/culture has likes,dislikes ...etc and every one expect others not crossing those lines for peaceful co-existence. In democracy, no doubt, there is freedom of expression but if that expression is uncomfortable to other, then there is responsibility to control/prevent that expres…

I understand the sentiment behind your comment but applying this doctrine does more good than harm.

The right to not be offended, quite simply, does not exist and should not exist in free democracies. Everything should be open for debate, discussion, parody, etc..

Not producing a movie because someone might feel insulted by it and then throw a temper tantrum is censorship by proxy in its purest form. The tyranny of sensibilities may be justified by humanitarian arguments (i.e.: "peace on Earth" !) but it is, more often than not, a disguise totalitarian doctrines take to silence opponents.

The fact that this attack allegedly comes from the last Stalinian regime - the worst dictatorship still in existence - certainly points to a totalitarian motive.

Re: An Offer to Sony from 2600

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Funny how the U.S. government goes nuts over an offensive YouTube video or Koran burning video, but suddenly Obama's administration calls out Sony for "making a mistake" for caving to (allegedly) North Korea? Does anyone else find this to be a double standard? We can "offend" North Korea, but if we "offend" Islam, then somehow that's different? I say let's offend everyone. That's what free speech means.

Re: An Offer to Sony from 2600

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Let us relook the issue here. Is it hackers attack on Sony or Sony making a movie on North Korean ruler(as I understand) or both? Every human/culture has likes,dislikes ...etc and every one expect others not crossing those lines for peaceful co-existence. In democracy, no doubt, there is freedom of expression but if that expression is uncomfortable to other, then there is responsibility to control/prevent that expres…

I think this shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the basic meaning of artistic expression, freedom of speech, and censorship. I find that I am diametrically opposed to everything that you have stated.

This also really has nothing to do with a silly little movie called "The Interview". The movie is a footnote in a brutal attack on Sony which left their entire network destroyed, their PCs wiped, their entire data set stolen and published, their employees and partners and customers terribly exposed, and all this used to extort them...

As for peaceful co-existence and all that, such a thing can only be possible not by retaliating when we are offended, but by understanding we have a right to be offended, and a right to express our outrage peacefully and constructively.

Edit: Imagine a world where Kim Jong-un posts a video statement on kim.nk decrying the movie and asking for support in a world wide boycott. This is how mature adults respond to such a situation. Oh wait, I almost forgot, he's a brutal dictator bent on world destruction. Seriously, your comment blows my mind.

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