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Cuba and the U.S. will begin to normalize relations

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Re: Cuba and the U.S. will begin to normalize relations

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I have to think this is related to tensions with Russia and avoiding a second missile crisis. I wonder if there will be a reaction from Russia about this news.

Uh, what? Cuba isn't a Soviet vassal state any more.

Putin seems to like turning back the clock on that kind of thing. Just because it's irresponsible doesn't mean he won't do it. He's a rational actor in terms of his own grip on power and nothing else.

Re: Cuba and the U.S. will begin to normalize relations

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is an executive action. Not quite; some restrictions have been lifted but this is not yet a done deal: "Although the decades-old American embargo on Cuba will remain in place for now, the administration signaled that it would welcome a move by Congress to ease or lift it should lawmakers choose to."[1] [1] http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/world/americas/us-cuba-rel...

Obama calling for Congress to act is what we in this year of our Lord 2014 call "trolling".

Have to agree. What does Obama have to lose by just going out on a limb and ending a horribly failed policy?

Realizing of course there are so many others he promised to end and hasn't...

Re: Cuba and the U.S. will begin to normalize relations

#33

I've visited Cuba on a Canadian passport. Aside from the beautiful beaches the thing that struck me most was the desperate poverty of people living in shacks outside the 5 star resorts. While I hesitate to predict that this change will be all for the good, I do believe that the poorest in Cuba will benefit significantly from increased trade.

There have been good things happening in Cuba before this announcement such as issuing private business licenses and allowing people to sell their homes (instead of the old bartering system).

Re: Cuba and the U.S. will begin to normalize relations

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post #23

I've visited Cuba on a Canadian passport. Aside from the beautiful beaches the thing that struck me most was the desperate poverty of people living in shacks outside the 5 star resorts. While I hesitate to predict that this change will be all for the good, I do believe that the poorest in Cuba will benefit significantly from increased trade.

This might have been your impression, coming straight from Canada. I visited Cuba a decade ago, having traveled in Latin America for > 1 year. I can't say that Cuba seemed to be worse off than many of these other countries.

This is true as well. I've seen worse conditions in both Costa Rica (a relatively successful country) and El Salvador.

Re: Cuba and the U.S. will begin to normalize relations

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post #19

The timing seems really clever here. The USA and OPEC flood the market with oil (literally), crashing prices and sending the Ruble into a spiral. Just as Cuba starts to worry about Russian support going forward, the USA swoops in to provide some economic bracing.

I think this move effects Venezuela more than Russia. It is Venezuela that provides cheaper oil cuba in return for many services like healthcare etc. Now that oil is already cheap, Cuba does not need for patronage of Venezuela.

Putin was just in Cuba this summer to strengthen the oil business relationship and get more access to offshore drilling off the Cuban coast.

This seems like it's all a concerted effort to double-down on the embargo and slap Putin where it hurts the most.

Re: Cuba and the U.S. will begin to normalize relations

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Since this is HN, does anyone know what the IT sector is like in Cuba?

Apparently they have a university dedicated to IT stuff[1] but I don't read Spanish and I couldn't really find any projects/research page on there. The only thing that seems to be portrayed is a Linux distro called Nova.[2]

[1] http://www.uci.cu/ [2] http://www.nova.cu/

Re: Cuba and the U.S. will begin to normalize relations

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, what? Cuba isn't a Soviet vassal state any more.

Putin seems to like turning back the clock on that kind of thing. Just because it's irresponsible doesn't mean he won't do it. He's a rational actor in terms of his own grip on power and nothing else.

Again, Cuba's no longer a vassal state. I suspect they have little interest in hosting Russian nuclear missiles, and I suspect the US would be more than happy to help them resist a Russian effort to restore the Cold War situation.

Re: Cuba and the U.S. will begin to normalize relations

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Since this is HN, does anyone know what the IT sector is like in Cuba? Apparently they have a university dedicated to IT stuff[1] but I don't read Spanish and I couldn't really find any projects/research page on there. The only thing that seems to be portrayed is a Linux distro called Nova.[2] [1] http://www.uci.cu/ [2] http://www.nova.cu/

On your second link, there's a great pun on "HumanOS", which in Spanish simply means "Humans".

On the university site, there's a few hidden links to Cuban Mozilla fans[1], a digital publication for open source software [2], a youth-targeted site for open-source users[3] (seems down), and a women-targeted site for IT [4]. Note that there's more, but everything seems to be down at the moment, it might be the HN effect

[1] http://firefoxmania.uci.cu/ [2] http://swlx.cubava.cu/ [3] gutl.jovenclub.cu [4] http://haciendoweb.upr.edu.cu/

Re: Cuba and the U.S. will begin to normalize relations

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post #14

In 2008 G W Bush has removed North Korea from Embargo list, and embargo has to be renewed every year based on "some" Enemy Act of 1917. Cuba is the only country in US embargo list, I understand it is personal as Cuba is just few miles away from US, but still the embargo is inhumane and people are suffering. John Oliver has a very interesting piece on his HBO show.

Sorry but the embrago doesn't stop them from trading with many of their neighbors. I'm getting sick of the left giving the horrible Castro regime a free pass by hysterically yelling, "embargo" everytime Cuba comes up.

Cuba's main problem is its leadership. The US coaxing it to a free market system that respects human rights and property rights is only good for Cuba. The Castros were more than willing to continue to starve their people and become the West's North Korea.

>John Oliver has a very interesting piece on his HBO show.

Maybe you should get your opinions from something other than lowest common denominator appeal comedians. Start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Cuba

and here:

http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2013/country-chapters/cuba

and here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/cuba-country-of-c...

Please stop romanticizing the Castro regime.

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