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Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two
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Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two
#32I think the intersection of politics and internet is interesting. I write about it quite a bit on my blog, as well as here: http://qbix.com/blog/index.php/2013/04/a-new-kind-of-platfor... In this case, we see sort of an "arab spring" of open source projects lately. Consider MySQL after it was bought by Oracle, and then the MariaDB fork was born. Now we have Node.js and Docker being forked. Until now, most successful…
An interesting intersection might be continuity. A big problem with dictatorships is succession. If a project relies on a leader as much as many do, can the project outlive them (or at least their desire to lead it).
Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Since i'm a newbie and I couldn't find anything with a simple search, could you elaborate on that particular MySQL situation?
Original creators left and created MariaDB. MariaDB is now used in place of MySQL in most Linux distros by default. They left after Oracle got control over it by buying Sun (who had previously bought MySQL.)
For me it was the closed-source new test cases. That marked a turning point for the direction of MySQL (IMO).
Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two
#34Ben Noordhuis, the center of the Node.js pronoun scandal [1] and one of the founders of Strongloop, has activity in IO.js more recent than his activity in Node.js. I can't help but wonder how much of this is a power struggle between Strongloop and Joyent. https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun
Off topic, I guess, but color me unimpressed by the guy claiming he would fire someone for rejecting a pull request that does nothing but advance a political agenda.
Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two
#35> Future of Popular Coding Tool in Doubt After It Splits in Two Are there convincing number of examples of very popular projects being forked and both ends being discontinued, or is this just a typical example of spreading FUD? Forking is a natural process in the open-source world.
> is this just a typical example of spreading FUD?
Whatever the outcome, this is absolutely eyeball-grabbing FUD. A popular open source project, by definition, has identified "job(s) to be done" and has attracted an audience of supporters (users and developers). That's what keeps any project afloat. In long-term, a big project fork is a sign of a healthy community. That community occasionally has to come to grips with the evolution of their software. For a fork, this is usually a combination of social and technical dynamics. In the short-term, it's hard to see past the difficult (and occasionally acrimonious) social mechanics.
Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two
#36I think it's great news. Node development has been glacial for a while now. There's an issue where people are sharing logos, https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/37, highly recommend.
Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two
#37I think the intersection of politics and internet is interesting. I write about it quite a bit on my blog, as well as here: http://qbix.com/blog/index.php/2013/04/a-new-kind-of-platfor... In this case, we see sort of an "arab spring" of open source projects lately. Consider MySQL after it was bought by Oracle, and then the MariaDB fork was born. Now we have Node.js and Docker being forked. Until now, most successful…
This is more about how, for many companies, the OSS doctrine that they espouse doesn't really jive with their need for profitability.
In the long run, they need to make decisions for the company that are not in the best interest of the project, and either the project dies or is forked or abandoned.
Sun did really well by the OSS community for a very long time, but they had nothing to show for it and Oracle has since foisted a lot of their efforts on to the ASF. LibreOffice, hhvm, Mint, just to name a few, have all come about because the companies responsible for the stewardship of a project weren't doing their duty in the eyes of the community. I honestly think we're going to see a Firefox fork in the next 2-3 years.
It's just the nature of OSS and while it means that, long-term, fewer companies will invest in the space, the companies that do invest will do it for the right reasons.
Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two
#38Ben Noordhuis, the center of the Node.js pronoun scandal [1] and one of the founders of Strongloop, has activity in IO.js more recent than his activity in Node.js. I can't help but wonder how much of this is a power struggle between Strongloop and Joyent. https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun
Off topic, I guess, but color me unimpressed by the guy claiming he would fire someone for rejecting a pull request that does nothing but advance a political agenda.
Yeah, talk about an over the top reaction.
I'd probably reject this too from a do-gooder searching github for pronouns to change.
"Get another hobby. Rejected."
Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two
#39I think it's great news. Node development has been glacial for a while now. There's an issue where people are sharing logos, https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/37 , highly recommend.
One of the downsides to doing stuff like this is many devs turning away from node / io altogether.
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#40> actually set up this foundation because they’re still hoping that Joyent will let them to use the Node.js trademark. Is that naivete on the side of Io.js here, or is there more to the story?
I'm not sure what you're asking, you left out the key part of the quote: > the team hasn’t actually set up this foundation because they’re still hoping that Joyent will let them to use the Node.js trademark. Frankly, I kinda like the name Io.js better than Node.js
It's more likely that they be called Microsoft.js than Node.js at this point.