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Re: The Dream Stack - Is This A Joke?

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Post by nopassrecover » Mon, Oct 05, 2009, 4:39 AM UTC

jrockway wrote: post #30

nopassrecover wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with your sentiment I'm not sure if that's definitely the case. First, when you have an average level of programmer (as the sort of corporations that would hire a senior analyst tend to), selecting the right tools is where you can innovate against your competition. Second, if this wasn't written by a non-programmer, but instead was an Ask-YC "What stack would you use to build the next Google/Facebook/Am…

Wouldn't you want to hire a senior programmer to make programming decisions?

I'm not sure I get your point in relation to mine, can you elaborate?

Re: The Dream Stack - Is This A Joke?

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Post by junklight » Mon, Oct 05, 2009, 9:11 AM UTC

olefoo wrote: post #28

idlewords wrote: post #14

I think of this kind of tool wank as "Guitar Center development" - the conviction that choosing the perfect combination of web framework, revision control system, programming language, data store, templating engine and web server is a prerequisite to building an awesome app. It's exactly analagous to the idea that you can't truly shred until you've assembled the right set of effects pedals, preamps, niobium-plated st…

This is one of the few times I wish I could upvote someone more than once. The painful truth about web services is that it doesn't matter what tools you use; at least initially. If it does something useful and you are getting revenue you can and will rearchitect and rework the solution as it grows. And as a system grows it tends to become heterogeneous, an all php shop will suddenly sprout a java based search engine,…

yep spot on. Pick the technology that you have the available skills for right now. As the problems present themselves (and you normally can't predict them because you don't know how your service is going to be used and what strange usage patterns the users will come up with) then solve them.

Its better being adaptable and rolling with the demands than being stuck with a problem you didn't predict that you can't solve without major surgery because everything else is so strictly defined.

Re: The Dream Stack - Is This A Joke?

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Post by jrockway » Mon, Oct 05, 2009, 11:02 AM UTC

nopassrecover wrote: post #31

jrockway wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't you want to hire a senior programmer to make programming decisions?

I'm not sure I get your point in relation to mine, can you elaborate?

I thought you were suggesting hiring analysts to fix the problems that the amateur programmers created. But now that I re-read your post, it seems like you are just observing how the industry works.

Honestly, I think we should feed "analysts" as much bad data as possible so that the companies that rely on analysts are killed off. The analysts will then die too :) (Have you ever poisoned someone to cure their cold? This would be like that. Kill the host, then the virus dies :)

Re: The Dream Stack - Is This A Joke?

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Post by nopassrecover » Mon, Oct 05, 2009, 10:47 PM UTC

jrockway wrote: post #33

nopassrecover wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I get your point in relation to mine, can you elaborate?

I thought you were suggesting hiring analysts to fix the problems that the amateur programmers created. But now that I re-read your post, it seems like you are just observing how the industry works. Honestly, I think we should feed "analysts" as much bad data as possible so that the companies that rely on analysts are killed off. The analysts will then die too :) (Have you ever poisoned someone to cure their cold? Th…

I have to admit I've never poisoned someone to cure their cold.

Re: The Dream Stack - Is This A Joke?

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Post by jrockway » Tue, Oct 06, 2009, 2:11 AM UTC

nopassrecover wrote: post #34

jrockway wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought you were suggesting hiring analysts to fix the problems that the amateur programmers created. But now that I re-read your post, it seems like you are just observing how the industry works. Honestly, I think we should feed "analysts" as much bad data as possible so that the companies that rely on analysts are killed off. The analysts will then die too :) (Have you ever poisoned someone to cure their cold? Th…

I have to admit I've never poisoned someone to cure their cold.

It's 100% effective!