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A free, complete guide to Technical Analysis

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Re: A free, complete guide to Technical Analysis

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I have been a trader for 15 years, I have seen TA absolutely working and I have seen it failing. You can take the opinion of someone that has walked the walk, or not. I have given you a specific example where TA does work, so it can't all be bullshit right?

> You can take the opinion of someone that has walked the walk, or not. In opinions we trust? What kind of a trader are you? > I have been a trader for 15 years, I have seen "go all in on a bunch of calls" absolutely working and I have seen it failing. That sentence is basically void of content. > I have given you a specific example where TA does work, so it can't all be bullshit right? No. You could give me an examp…

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

The example I gave is a logical one, which just happens to also work on occasion in the real world. It does not rely on what sort of trader I am, it is a thought scenario, which can and does work in the real world.

Logically, if a large number of people are using a specific TA signal to make trades, their trades will move the market to a degree. Then if one knows what that signal is, one can reliably make money using the same TA signal.

So even if the actual TA signal is a completely random walk, an alert person can make money from that TA signal if they understand that the market will move because some powerful players are using the same signal for whatever reason.

TLDR: A bullshit signal can be used to reliably make money.

Re: A free, complete guide to Technical Analysis

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can take the opinion of someone that has walked the walk, or not. In opinions we trust? What kind of a trader are you? > I have been a trader for 15 years, I have seen "go all in on a bunch of calls" absolutely working and I have seen it failing. That sentence is basically void of content. > I have given you a specific example where TA does work, so it can't all be bullshit right? No. You could give me an examp…

Are you being deliberately obtuse? The example I gave is a logical one, which just happens to also work on occasion in the real world. It does not rely on what sort of trader I am, it is a thought scenario, which can and does work in the real world. Logically, if a large number of people are using a specific TA signal to make trades, their trades will move the market to a degree. Then if one knows what that signal is…

> A bullshit signal can be used to reliably make money.

Until it doesn't.

Re: A free, complete guide to Technical Analysis

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Technical analysis is far from useless. As an active trader, it's the best tool I have come across. I'm sorry, but to say that it is useless is to admit pure ignorance, or to admit your failure to grasp the concepts and understand how to apply them visually and correctly. People do apply techniques incorrectly, yes. They can get confirmation bias from it, yes. However, that does not invalidate successful traders who…

What are your returns and what have been the returns of the market over the same period?

Re: A free, complete guide to Technical Analysis

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The guide opens with an analogy suggesting that picking the best stocks to invest in is equivalent to picking the best restaurant to eat at, and that technical analysis is equivalent to looking for the stall with the most people at it. If technical analysis is equivalent to looking for the restaurant with the most people at it, then the restaurant that you're trying to find is the one that, over the period that you i…

> "If technical analysis is equivalent to looking for the restaurant with the most people at it, then the restaurant that you're trying to find is the one that, over the period that you intend to eat there, will gain the most new customers,"

Which pretty much is what you want to achieve in certain markets.

For instance, if you are trading with CFDs and want to close your positions in the short term, you want to predict the right direction in an instrument with high volatility, which tends to be correlated with the amount of people trading in the same instrument (restaurant with the most people for a given period of time)

Re: A free, complete guide to Technical Analysis

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But what is the empirical basis to things like Fibbonacci retracement levels ?

They are self fulfilling to an extent - because all the TA day traders are using the same signals

If that is the case, it would create a market inefficiency which some other market participant could come along and exploit (anticipate the TAs moves and act preemptively). Your statement is basically saying there is no one out there smart enough to do this.

Re: A free, complete guide to Technical Analysis

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Just because I said that technical analysis is bullshit does not mean that I think EMT holds. I can also say that using the times bulls shit in Colorado to predict stock prices is bullshit. That once again does not mean that I think EMT holds. It just means that the technique I called out has no predictive value.

The claim "technical analysis doesn't work" is the weak form EMH. So yes, you are being inconsistent, unless I've mistakenly interpreted "technical analysis is bullshit" as "technical analysis doesn't work". Is it your belief that technical analysis does work, but is still bullshit?

Actually, I don't believe this is correct. The weak form EMH claims that any information provided by the price history of a security should already be incorporated into the current price. You can claim that Technical Analysis (construed as patterns in charts and the like) isn't valid and that weak form EMH doesn't hold, if you believe that charting fails to correctly incorporate the relevant information from the price history.

Re: A free, complete guide to Technical Analysis

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Technical analysis is the homeopathy of finance.

Can you provide any useful information other than a cool sound bite? Is there a better way to analyze equities? There is a lot of computer trading. Must be some analysis happening. I'm sure a lot of us here would like to be pointed in the right direction.

Re: A free, complete guide to Technical Analysis

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The only important indicator on a chart is price, and volume in some cases to confirm price. But all decisions need to be based on price action. Chart analysis is just a tool to read the emotions of other traders, that’s it.

Think about it, you see a 3 day rally with wide range bars and on day 4 you get a narrow range bar where the open and close are the same (or very close). What does that tell you? Momentum has stopped and people are undecided. There’s nothing subjective about that. After this the stock can move either way, but you are getting an indicator that something’s going to happen and you have to monitor closely. You can tighten the stops or exit completely. The decision is up to you. But you are using the chart to make an educated decision.

Another example, after a 3 day pullback on day 4 you see a narrow range bar with a very long tail. This is called a Hammer [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_(candlestick_pattern)]. This tells you that at some point during the day the sellers were in control but something happened and buyers took control and raised the price. This was a war and the buyers won. This usually changes momentum and leads to a rally. An explanation for this could be that at some point during the day many stop loss orders from long term investors were triggered and short-term buyers see it as an opportunity to buy and raise the price.

I just gave you two examples where Technical Analysis can be effective. Does it work all the time? Of course not. But you have a better picture of what’s happening, therefore your odds are higher and you can use this information to lower your risk.

Finally, you have to remember that for every buyer there’s also a seller and vice versa. When you buy a stock (long) you have to ask yourself. Is the person selling me the stock profiting or taking a loss? Is the other person a beginner, professional trader or institution? You have to find scenarios where you buy the stock from the beginners taking a loss (even if it sounds cruel). Given enough time and hard work you can develop experience necessary to spot where all these people buy and sell and use this information to your advantage.

Does it work all the time? NO

Will you have losses? YES

Can you still make money? YES

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