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Lecture 3: How to Start a Startup
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#32As someone who lives outside the US, what did PG mean when he was talking about Facebook starting as a Florida LLC and that "even you guys know not to do that" ?
The vast majority of possible startups fail at the mechanics of forming a company - not knowing how/where to do it, not knowing how to find the right lawyer/accountant, not knowing how much that costs, not knowing what to ask, not knowing how to employ people... There are a hundred forms and answers to find before you can open a shop.
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#33As someone who lives outside the US, what did PG mean when he was talking about Facebook starting as a Florida LLC and that "even you guys know not to do that" ?
http://blakemasters.com/post/21742864570/peter-thiels-cs183-... (Look at point #2 - "You Should Be a Delaware C-corp")
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#34As someone who lives outside the US, what did PG mean when he was talking about Facebook starting as a Florida LLC and that "even you guys know not to do that" ?
I'm not very knowledgeable so take this with a grain of salt, but I believe he's talking about the common strategy of having your business set up in Delaware.
[1] https://investor.google.com/corporate/certificate-of-incorpo...
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware#Incorporation_in_Delaw...
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#35As someone who lives outside the US, what did PG mean when he was talking about Facebook starting as a Florida LLC and that "even you guys know not to do that" ?
Most corporations in the US are incorporated in Delaware. Whenever the question of incorporation arises, the answers is always in Delaware as a C-corp. PG's comment was a nod to that. http://blakemasters.com/post/21742864570/peter-thiels-cs183-... (Look at point #2 - "You Should Be a Delaware C-corp")
Yes, if you raise venture money, you will need a Delaware C-corp. But the percentage of companies that are successful in raising venture capital is extremely low. How low? Probably lower than Y Combinator's acceptance rate.
For entrepreneurs serious about building a real business, entity selection should be based on what's best for the business and the founders, not what's going to be required by investors they don't yet have and may never have. Generally speaking, young companies have no legitimate incentive to pay Delaware for the privilege of being incorporated in Delaware.
So what about companies that are successful in raising money? For early stage startups with little to no revenue and assets (read: most startups), it is quite straightforward to revisit entity selection if necessary with minimal complexity and cost, and with few if any tax consequences. Delaware has a statutory conversion that makes it super simple and inexpensive to convert a Delaware LLC to a Delaware corporation. Even conversion of a non-Delaware entity to a Delaware C corporation is a simple task and will not come close to being the most expensive item when you pay your law firm for its work associated with your financing.
Of course, if your company has no assets, you could just dissolve if need be. Which, ironically, is what happens to a lot of those Delaware corporations.
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#36I get the general usefulness of advising undergraduates that MBAs are, in general, a bad idea for them. They're certainly about as poor of a financial investment these days as a degree in English. But the hopeless idealist in me asks if it isn't possible to get an MBA to actually try to theorize about customer behavior, economic structure, supply chains, what have you and build part of ones academic foundation around it? Or is it truly impossible to walk into today's MBA programs wanting to study business as theoretical and societal constructs, without walking out a professional networker and middle manager?
All I know is, I never seem to get tired of reading HBS case studies. I'm always curious to learn how other people approached things and how the world worked then, in addition to how it works now. If anyone has a good community for embracing that sort of knowledge, I'm all ears.
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#37Am I the only person who ever found the course list for an MBA genuinely interesting ? Like, intellectually so. I get the general usefulness of advising undergraduates that MBAs are, in general, a bad idea for them. They're certainly about as poor of a financial investment these days as a degree in English. But the hopeless idealist in me asks if it isn't possible to get an MBA to actually try to theorize about custo…
but if you tease out the strands of advice, you'd see that you shouldn't do an mba if you think that will prepare you for a startup. you could (and i'm extrapolating here) do an mba if the subject matter is genuinely interesting to you (as it was for me). i learned a lot in my mba program that i was genuinely interested in learning.
and if you decide to do an mba, take all the quantitative classes you can. you want to practice and hone skills, not just be versed in theory. also, applied economics might be interesting to you.
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#38The fact is most startups will fail[1]. If I fail and try again and again, statistically I will probably fail eventually. Therefore, most of us will end up working for other companies. Statistically again, there are a lot more employees in well established companies than startups so most of us will likely end up working for well established/large organizations. So my question is: does the experience, the knowledge I…
Strictly speaking, a corporate recruitment process will peg and interview you based on your experience level. 3 years at a failed startup are likely to be equivalent to 3 years at a large established company, you'll go through the same interview process, be asked the same questions, and presented with the same offer. From a rational standpoint, having even a mild level of success that ends up in an acqui-hire instead…
The simple reason why is because while a startup is the best place to learn how to start a startup, it isn't always the best place to learn how to be an engineer.
At least, not the sort of robust engineering (hopefully) done at established companies, where you have to understand existing best practices like code style, continuous deployment and testing, and non-technical conventions like proper code reviews and pager schedules. That sort of rigor isn't found in all startups, but some amount of it is a necessity when your primary job is shipping code, lots of it, and not just searching for product market fit.
I think it is far more likely that you'll get a strong offer for a large corp coming out of another large corp - where you'll speak the language and have found at least someone talented to mentor you - than as a typical acqui-hire or founder of an also-ran startup. In fact, many acqui-hire employees themselves have to go through interviews at the acquiring company, finding themselves on the bottom of the pecking order at their new companies - if they even have jobs at all.
That's not to say you shouldn't do a startup...just, don't do it expecting your Plan B to be a cushy job at Facebook. :)
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#39Am I the only person who ever found the course list for an MBA genuinely interesting ? Like, intellectually so. I get the general usefulness of advising undergraduates that MBAs are, in general, a bad idea for them. They're certainly about as poor of a financial investment these days as a degree in English. But the hopeless idealist in me asks if it isn't possible to get an MBA to actually try to theorize about custo…
Yes, an MBA will help you understand many of our societal, economic, and business constructs. I did not find an MBA to be particularly helpful in understanding customer behavior, but it's definitely valuable in understanding government and corporate behavior.
And yes, it'll help you understand supply chains/logistics, various process and people optimizations, etc. Think of it like learning algorithms and patterns for solving problems that are commonly found in large human organizations.
> Or is it truly impossible to walk into today's MBA programs wanting to study business as theoretical and societal constructs, without walking out a professional networker and middle manager?
It's a degree. Nothing more. However, I would not get an MBA with a goal of middle management as the focus of most programs is on getting you ready for upper management decision making. For middle management in a large company skills such as project management, people management, scheduling, delegation and communication are more important than high level strategic thinking.
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#40I share pg's distaste for the mouthful that is "entrepreneurship" ( http://youtu.be/ii1jcLg-eIQ?t=30m35s ). How about resurrecting the root, and using "enterprise" instead? Moving a language as big as English is a Brobdingnagian task, but few people are as well-positioned as pg to (re)introduce "enterprise" as a more economical alternative to "entrepreneurship".
i'm not necessarily defending "entrepreneur" but one would hope that the alternative would be shorter.