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Hemisphere Project Summary: Office of National Drug Control Policy [pdf]

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Re: Hemisphere Project Summary: Office of National Drug Control Policy [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Got it. Don't vote, don't attempt to hold elected officials accountable or even let them know in tangible communications about what I feel. Give up and disengage completely, educate other citizens on why they should give up and disengage completely, put my money into my mattress (or a credit union, I guess), and start a garden so I can feed myself. But where do I buy the seeds!? I say get more engaged, but be pragmat…

On the contrary, he advocates a proactive approach to 'engage and inform other citizens' and start having people stop relying on a broken system, instead of taking responsibility for their actions and effectuating real change.

The problem is that his analysis is weak: the reason that there are two choices are because of people like him disengaging and not supporting a third choice.

Further, it's not the case that actions like those done by the NSA happened in a vacuum. The reality is that most of the country demanded, following one stinging terrorist attack that this must never happened again. The men and women of our military fulfilled that wish: at the cost of $20 billion a year, they delivered to us most of the globe on a silver platter, completely electronically dominated and ready to be watched to stop even a whiff of such a threat.

That our social demands (in aggregate) are childish, insane, bipolar, etc isn't their fault. They simply did what society demanded it needed to feel safe, what they saw as their duty.

The simple truth is that the current state of affairs is exactly what we've asked for, in large part, and that the most realistic way to reform it is to engage with other citizens and help them understand why their contrary and silly demands are contrary and silly.

All that pulling away from the political exchange will do is lead us down the path of a civil war (or other turmoil) as people who refuse to be part of the rule making also refuse to follow the rules.

Re: Hemisphere Project Summary: Office of National Drug Control Policy [pdf]

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Let me commend them on the clarity of their writing. When the audiences is themselves it's brisk, vigorous, candid, and refreshingly to the point.

Now contrast that with monstrosities like the Affordable Health Care Act, thousands of pages long, nearly impenetrable, and executed without any of the legislators involved actually reading or understanding it.

Or the tax code, which is incapable of returning idempotent values when the same functions are applied to identical inputs.

Re: Hemisphere Project Summary: Office of National Drug Control Policy [pdf]

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Sidebar: for all the ranting that deserves to be done here, it's also interesting to note that this was an internal IT program, like many other programs I suspect HN readers may have participated in. There was a help desk, a POC, a procedure to follow, and so on.

They didn't want the average Law Enforcement schmuck calling operations! Instead you had to contact your POC. They were probably afraid of being overwhelemed by call volume. Turnaround looks like a couple of hours on a good day. In addition, they were doing one of those "train the trainer" things where they were looking at using the POCS to create "super users" to work the system and work with the local folks. Must have been a real concern about volume and support. Gad, how many people were (are) using this thing, anyway?

Email was the preferred medium of response, so no online app, at least as far as end-users go. In addition, there was a section about "deconfliction" which was a bit confusing to me, but I never took the training. Was there training? I wonder if, along with this deck, there wasn't a 1-day or 2-day class? If so, who was sent to take it?

It always surprises me that when you see something really bad, how normal it all looks and acts. I can just see a conference room at some Holiday Inn full of regular-looking middle-aged folks, slurping up bad coffee and stale donuts, wondering if they were going to be let out early while some other guy putzes around with a MacBook and a projector and an assistant hands out TS/SCI forms.

Re: Hemisphere Project Summary: Office of National Drug Control Policy [pdf]

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It's chilling that they explicitly mention parallel construction on page 12: When a complete set of CDRs are subpoenaed from the carrier, then all memorialized references to relevant and pertinent calls can be attributed to the carrier's records, thus "walling off" the information obtained from Hemisphere. In other words, Hemisphere can easily be protected if it is used as a pointer system to uncover relevant numbers…

Paralleled is even used as a verb near the bottom of page 10.

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Writing my representative and senators now. To hell with these people.

>Writing my representative and senators now. That will accomplish absolutely nothing, except to legitimize those who have overseen this reprehensible development, and all the other political and social catastrophes of the past 30-40 years. Our...political...system...is...fundamentally...broken. Voting, writing your congressman, and helping elect another corrupt politician are all activities that do nothing to improve…

Writing politicians is an early response. Not the last.

Re: Hemisphere Project Summary: Office of National Drug Control Policy [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with the main thrust of your comment but perpetuating the 'immaculate conception' myth of the US as a government of, for, and by the people is counterproductive. In particular the war on drugs absolutely goes against the ideas 'espoused' at that time. But that still holds. Ask any senator what America stands for and they will say something like "liberty, freedom, and justice for all". That doesn't mean it is…

> makes it very clear that the new constitutional system must be designed so as to insure that the government will, in his words "protect the minority of the opulent against the majority" and bar the way to anything like agrarian reform My point wasn't that this didn't happen or the US was some magical egalitarian wonderland (though the foundational period of the US had a surprisingly level of wealth equality compare…

OK. Yes the framers of the constitution did create protections from the government for themselves, and shared that with the rest of the population. As you imply it is hard to know if the general case was a side-effect or original intent.

At the same time they purposefully sought to disenfranchise the majority so that they might change the rules at any time.

So the constitution within the constitution is that the government will protect the wealthy, and that makes sense given who was writing it.

It appears that the ruling elites now value control of the population over privacy. I see two possible explanations but perhaps there are others.

* They see the incredible growth of poverty in the US and there is no vast neighboring region in which to exterminate existing inhabitants and settle. Hence wealth protection from the masses is a higher priority than the privacy protections.

* Mass media has distorted the scale of the disenfranchising effects of our system (rich have more control and poor even less) and the wealthy realise they can use their control of the government to make huge fortunes. For example the profits of the banks are derived by transfer of wealth from taxpayers through implicit insurance since insurance allows highly profitable high risk strategies. They then choose short term profits over privacy / human rights.

In any case they choose to exercise their rights under the constitution within the constitution to change the laws to bring about repression and control.

I'm not really rebutting your point here. Instead I want to highlight that what is happening now IS consistent with the ideals of governance around during the formation of the US and what has changed is likely a lower level 'priority'

Re: Hemisphere Project Summary: Office of National Drug Control Policy [pdf]

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Wow. We actually have secret police in America. I didn't really put together what that means until now. There are 'law enforcement' agencies that operate outside the law, and they fight to keep their very existence from being exposed in court. Thats crazy.

Not very unlike the times of J.E Hoover. Just with more technology.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are easier ways for the government to make money. There is a strong belief the CIA was selling drugs to citizens in the 80s to fund themselves [1] [1] http://www.justice.gov/oig/special/9712/ch01p1.htm

Why the downvotes? French article, one among many that mention Drug smuggling by some agencies (CIA?) http://www.lepoint.fr/monde/la-vie-abracadabrante-d-un-pilot...

Some people are always surprised by well established facts half the world knows about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_and_Contras_cocaine_traffic...

Re: Hemisphere Project Summary: Office of National Drug Control Policy [pdf]

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The simple truth is this: Anyone who supports the war on drugs as it is currently being run has abandoned what the US stood for at its founding regarding liberty, freedom, and the rule of law.

I prefer that rhetoric as follows.

'Anyone who supports the war on drugs has abandoned liberty and freedom.'

Terms like "the rule of law" encourage a mentality that's unempathetic and unconcerned with many forms of tyranny and suffering. It encourages complicit behavior through blind allegiance and rhetoric. That allegiance will probably remain until the faithful are personally affected and destroyed by the rule of law they so thought they knew.

The rule of law is a process that should be (and usually isn't) viewed as deserving of great distrust, fear, and delicacy rather than of great admiration and worship. The largest atrocities and cruelest of societies may happen due to the rule of law. The United States' Bill of Rights is not enough. Legitimacy doesn't fear it. Meaning is created. Meaning overrides meaning. Freedom and free speech may be eternal flames in the hearts of free minds. I hope that will always be so. Legitimacy, meanwhile, paves a path with new terms while nationalists are left clinging to the rule of law.

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