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Re: Swift Has Reached 1.0

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H.264 is still not part of the open web.

despite the generic sounding name, neither is HTTP Live Streaming. HLS is a unstandardized protocol written by Apple

"Unstandardized" is misleading; it currently has a draft spec at the IETF: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming-...

Re: Swift Has Reached 1.0

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I think HLS is pretty awesome and this hasn't anything to do with HTML5 as what Chrome supports doesn't allow for live streaming, which is why sites like Twitch still use flash for Chrome. Chrome should support HLS, but they aren't going to for anything but Android, so flash it is for the foreseeable future. If anyone knows why or where I am mistaken I would like to know.

The issue is not black and white. Why should Chrome implement Apple HLS, rather than Adobe HDS, Microsoft SmoothStreaming, or MPEG DASH, among other HTTP streaming formats? What about RTSP -- a protocol designed for streaming, which Android had good support for in the video tag? In any case, live streaming in Chrome is possible with WebM, or even WebRTC. Flash is not ideal either, but at least it has consistent suppo…

If it's possible why hasn't anyone implemented such a thing? I'd like to implement such a thing and I wouldn't know where to start, but I would with HLS. This is the 1990's all over again. Different browsers supporting different standards, different video encodings, different JavaScript features, sometimes, when I'm having a spell, I'm not so sure competition is actually all that great anymore.

And no you cannot stream with webrtc without building a complicated back end webrtc MCU implementation which requires significant engineering and is not at all supported by the creators of webrtc who are focused on peer to peer inside browsers.

Re: Swift Has Reached 1.0

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The issue is not black and white. Why should Chrome implement Apple HLS, rather than Adobe HDS, Microsoft SmoothStreaming, or MPEG DASH, among other HTTP streaming formats? What about RTSP -- a protocol designed for streaming, which Android had good support for in the video tag? In any case, live streaming in Chrome is possible with WebM, or even WebRTC. Flash is not ideal either, but at least it has consistent suppo…

If it's possible why hasn't anyone implemented such a thing? I'd like to implement such a thing and I wouldn't know where to start, but I would with HLS. This is the 1990's all over again. Different browsers supporting different standards, different video encodings, different JavaScript features, sometimes, when I'm having a spell, I'm not so sure competition is actually all that great anymore. And no you cannot stre…

In the 1990s, people used to write these things called plugins to add features, like support for specific video containers and codecs, to browsers. Now I guess browsers have to have everything built in or not at all. "Progress".

Re: Swift Has Reached 1.0

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Hey guys, do you know if swift will be ever open-sourced? After the WWDC they said that was early to think about it while in beta. So, what's the status now?

Open-sourcing it would be really cool to see. Chris Lattner last said he wasn't sure if they were going to open source it ( http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvmdev/2014-June/073698.... )

Yep, we damn need a bit of more competition within bigs, right now seems just between Google and Mozilla (for the type of language).

Re: Swift Has Reached 1.0

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That's fantastic! Now, too bad I can't watch your video tutorials on my Macbook Pro using Chrome. Or Windows 7 using Chrome. The messaging on the site declares it requires Safari. So much of the open web... Quietly moves along to Android.

Apple's stream is just HTTP Live Streaming with H.264 IIRC. Which means the issue is quite clearly with Google and their insistence on using VP8/WebM instead of what almost every other company is using.

How do you idiots still think that Chrome doesn't decode h264?
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