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Re: Diaspora social network cannot stop IS posts

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Post by Alupis »

nilicule wrote: post #21
dangero wrote: post #15

I don't like what these guys are posting about but should we really abandon freedom of speech over it? Wouldn't that be an example of the terrorists winning?

The problem is that not all countries consider this free speech. If you're hosting a Diaspora pod in the UK, then having this material on your system is considered terrorism.

In the UK -- simply linking-to, reporting, or even viewing of this material is considered illegal under anti-terrorism laws... (I can understand if it's distasteful, or socially frowned upon... but illegal to view a video? come-on...)

Re: Diaspora social network cannot stop IS posts

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Post by bellerocky »

Alupis wrote: post #27
bellerocky wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not venting, they're recruiting and spreading fear.

And radical Christian groups in the US aren't?

Maybe, I don't know, how is that relevant? What is your argument? You think if a radical Christian group posted videos of murders online Twitter wouldn't ban it? What? Who are these people commenting today? Where did they come from?

Re: Diaspora social network cannot stop IS posts

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Post by [deleted] »

kordless wrote: post #30
pera wrote: post #9

This is like saying "E-Mail cannot stop X mails" or "XMPP cannot stop X chats", which is pretty obvious. The whole point of a decentralized service like Diaspora is that it can't be completely censored. Internet providers could partially block the access to pods that don't censor this kind of content, but then they could setup their own Diaspora pod in a Tor hidden services...

Doesn't it operate as a social network, where some content is available publicly? That would make it a bit different than email...

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Re: Diaspora social network cannot stop IS posts

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Post by samirmenon »

"The team behind a social network being used by Islamic State (IS) militants has admitted it cannot prevent the spread of extremist material."

"admitted"? What's with the tone of this article? What crime are they "admitting" to?

In my experience, BBC should be better than this.

Re: Diaspora social network cannot stop IS posts

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Post by tinco »

bellerocky wrote: post #18
dewey wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it's "Freedom of Speech" (but only if we like it)?

Seems like you're confused here. Freedom of speech is about citizens and their government, not citizens and private entities. Having said that, freedom of speech has never meant that you can say whatever you want, and the courts have supported this. Right now there are people in jail for threatening politicians on Twitter. So yes, freedom of speech is a limited right. It's not a right to encourage people to rape, mur…

Free speech is about humans expressing their thoughts, whether they be love or hate. That in many countries free speech is limited to prevent propaganda for 'dangerous' causes like rape, pillaging and terrorism is an evil deemed necessary by most.

So yes, for a true believer in basic human rights it can be shocking that we have restricted ourselves (as voters in democracies) in our right of free speech, and can feel that when trying to aid universal free communications ( by hosting pods).

Note that I myself support the restrictions on free speech as they are although I am keenly aware of the danger and evil of it.

Re: Diaspora social network cannot stop IS posts

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Post by kordless »

Alupis wrote: post #25

"IS", aka Islamic State, does not necessarily mean "Extremist" (and for the record, "IS" is not a synonym for "ISIS")

> In its self-proclaimed status as a caliphate, it claims religious authority over all Muslims across the world and aspires to bring much of the Muslim-inhabited regions of the world under its direct political control, beginning with territory in the Levant region, which includes Jordan, Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Cyprus, and an area in southern Turkey that includes Hatay.

Sounds pretty extreme to me.

Re: Diaspora social network cannot stop IS posts

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Post by chimeracoder »

kordless wrote: post #30
pera wrote: post #9

This is like saying "E-Mail cannot stop X mails" or "XMPP cannot stop X chats", which is pretty obvious. The whole point of a decentralized service like Diaspora is that it can't be completely censored. Internet providers could partially block the access to pods that don't censor this kind of content, but then they could setup their own Diaspora pod in a Tor hidden services...

Doesn't it operate as a social network, where some content is available publicly? That would make it a bit different than email...

> Doesn't it operate as a social network, where some content is available publicly? That would make it a bit different than email...

There's no technical reason that email isn't public, just social convention. Emails are like postcards, and the content is visible to all routers that they pass through on the way to their final destination.

In theory, we could have decided that email was an open discussion platform (more like USENET) with almost no technical changes.

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