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A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

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Re: A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

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It's worth remembering this the next time you hear some hysteria about Iran's "nuclear program" which they have been supposedly working on for the past 30 years without actually producing a bomb. Basic nuclear weapons are really, really simple to build. This is especially true of uranium bombs. Is there any case of a weapon being deployed operationally without ever being test-fired, other than dropping Little Boy ove…

Why do you assume they don't have a bomb?

Re: A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

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It's worth remembering this the next time you hear some hysteria about Iran's "nuclear program" which they have been supposedly working on for the past 30 years without actually producing a bomb. Basic nuclear weapons are really, really simple to build. This is especially true of uranium bombs. Is there any case of a weapon being deployed operationally without ever being test-fired, other than dropping Little Boy ove…

Iran's Supreme Leader: "Using Nuclear Weapons is Un-Islamic" - http://www.dw.de/irans-supreme-leader-using-nuclear-weapons-... 'Mr Bush expresses anger that US intelligence agencies played a role in removing the option of military action against Iran over its nuclear programme. He describes the "eye-popping declaration" in the 2007 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) judging with "high confidence" that Iran had halt…

That's showing incredible restraint (and, might I add, virtue) from them, considering that their ideological enemy, Israel, has nukes and is more than willing to use them.

Re: A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

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Iran's Supreme Leader: "Using Nuclear Weapons is Un-Islamic" - http://www.dw.de/irans-supreme-leader-using-nuclear-weapons-... 'Mr Bush expresses anger that US intelligence agencies played a role in removing the option of military action against Iran over its nuclear programme. He describes the "eye-popping declaration" in the 2007 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) judging with "high confidence" that Iran had halt…

> 'Mr Bush expresses anger that US intelligence agencies played a role in removing the option of military action against Iran over its nuclear programme. Wait. Am I reading this correctly? Does it say that Mr Bush is angry that he couldn't go to war?

Have you already forgot how trigger-happy he was in the case of Iraq? Even to the point of ignoring anyone who spoke up against the doctored evidence of an Iraqi WMD programme.

Re: A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran's Supreme Leader: "Using Nuclear Weapons is Un-Islamic" - http://www.dw.de/irans-supreme-leader-using-nuclear-weapons-... 'Mr Bush expresses anger that US intelligence agencies played a role in removing the option of military action against Iran over its nuclear programme. He describes the "eye-popping declaration" in the 2007 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) judging with "high confidence" that Iran had halt…

That's showing incredible restraint (and, might I add, virtue) from them, considering that their ideological enemy, Israel, has nukes and is more than willing to use them.

Oh No no no! That does sound like a "a defense of the theocratic monsters that run Iran"!

Remember that Iran has suppressed dissidents who question how the rich 1%, the banks and corporations run the country!

Those monsters in Tehran have preemptively attacked other states and destroyed their infrastructure! Iran has occupied territory and is killing civilians indiscriminately! Even bombing schools and hospitals!

Also they support various dictators in the World like Saudi Arabia in the ME. And they helped neo nazists take power in Ukraine. Oh god the evil. And I'm barely touching the surface.

The only thing they have going for them is that they accept homosexuals. Which we all know is the litmus test for a free and non-monstrous regime.

Re: A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

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post #31

It's worth remembering this the next time you hear some hysteria about Iran's "nuclear program" which they have been supposedly working on for the past 30 years without actually producing a bomb. Basic nuclear weapons are really, really simple to build. This is especially true of uranium bombs. Is there any case of a weapon being deployed operationally without ever being test-fired, other than dropping Little Boy ove…

Why do you assume they don't have a bomb?

Because it's close to impossible to build a functional bomb without testing it. And since they haven't tested one, everyone assumes that they don't have one. And if they do, why would they NOT test it,to show everyone that they are not bluffing? Basically, the theory is based on the assumption that if they had a bomb, they would have demonstrated it to the world.

Re: A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

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Wow, I don't usually have a problem with the New Yorker, but this is a really patronising and naive profile. He drinks too much Diet Coke? Well, Bill Gates and Karl Lagerfeld also drink too much Diet Coke. Worse than that, apparently he's not expected or, really, allowed, to apply basic logic and arithmetic in his research without being subject to ridicule: "It was a typical Coster-Mullen moment: he treats the world’…

I think HN adds to that tone by including "truck driver" in the title of the post. I suppose the inference is that truck drivers are not very smart; therefore, giving the title an interesting contrast. But the reality is that people become truck drivers (as well as any other profession) for any number of reasons.

another truck driver .... http://nasa.orau.org/postdoc/about-fellows/milligan.htm

Re: A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

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It's worth remembering this the next time you hear some hysteria about Iran's "nuclear program" which they have been supposedly working on for the past 30 years without actually producing a bomb. Basic nuclear weapons are really, really simple to build. This is especially true of uranium bombs. Is there any case of a weapon being deployed operationally without ever being test-fired, other than dropping Little Boy ove…

I don't think this is quite right. Little Boy (Hiroshima) was test-fired at Trinity. Fat Man (Nagasaki) was the one that was dropped without ever being tested, but it was plutonium.

Re: A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

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It's worth remembering this the next time you hear some hysteria about Iran's "nuclear program" which they have been supposedly working on for the past 30 years without actually producing a bomb. Basic nuclear weapons are really, really simple to build. This is especially true of uranium bombs. Is there any case of a weapon being deployed operationally without ever being test-fired, other than dropping Little Boy ove…

I don't think this is quite right. Little Boy (Hiroshima) was test-fired at Trinity. Fat Man (Nagasaki) was the one that was dropped without ever being tested, but it was plutonium.

Both the Trinity test and Fat Man were implosion type weapons:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_design#Implosion...

I don't think Little Boy's design was tested prior to being dropped on Hiroshima.

Re: A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

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I don't think that helps understand the problem at all. Are truck drivers a protected class? Can you provide some evidence regarding intelligence of truck drivers?

> Can you provide some evidence regarding intelligence of truck drivers? Sure. This very article. Some non-truck drivers were apparently pretty impressed with the truck driver's book: The review, written by the eminent atomic historian Robert S. Norris, began, “For many years, Coster-Mullen has been printing his manuscript at Kinko’s (adding to and revising it along the way) and selling spiral-bound copies at confere…

Ok, http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/occupations.aspx

Doesn't feel like anything at all.

Re: A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can you provide some evidence regarding intelligence of truck drivers? Sure. This very article. Some non-truck drivers were apparently pretty impressed with the truck driver's book: The review, written by the eminent atomic historian Robert S. Norris, began, “For many years, Coster-Mullen has been printing his manuscript at Kinko’s (adding to and revising it along the way) and selling spiral-bound copies at confere…

Ok, http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/occupations.aspx Doesn't feel like anything at all.

> Ok, http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/occupations.aspx

Ironically, software engineers aren't even listed here except for in an aggregate group (possibly many) which undoubtedly includes many other occupations.

It's pretty lucky I don't make sweeping generalizations about your intelligence based upon a single data point :-)

Just to be clear, negative stereotyping "backed" by statistics is still wrong. There's plenty of scientific evidence "justifying" racism. Even if that scientific evidence were completely correct, racism would still be morally abhorrent.

> Doesn't feel like anything at all

I think you've profoundly missed the point (point: empathy).

Anyways, when your hobby project is upheld as fantastic research by physicists and leaders of national labs, you can be condescending toward other occupations.

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