It's getting embarrassing. Are the marketing folks at MS completely clueless or maybe I'm the clueless one? First it was the "Don't get scroogled" campaign, now this. Oh, and the iPhone funeral fiasco too. http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/10/microsoft-celebrates-wind... They desperately need a Chief StayClassy Officer.
Why Microsoft? Microsoft vs. Linux
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Re: Why Microsoft? Microsoft vs. Linux
#32So, like others here I don't trust javascript, so I run HTTP switchboard. I got the following message: "you may be trying to access this site from a secured browser on the server. Please enable scripts and reload this page." "a secured browser on the server" where "secured browser" == one that has JS disabled (?) "on the server": what is "something you shouldn't do on a server"
Re: Why Microsoft? Microsoft vs. Linux
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Technically they are right. Linux is only a kernel. You need other software to run AD, so they are covered legally! ;-)
Ah, the FSF argument. I guess saying GNU/Linux was too wordy for Microsoft anyway, with their whole Metro concept being "having information density and options is bad".
Re: Why Microsoft? Microsoft vs. Linux
#34Fair enough, if you need AD, .NET, SQL Server etc. then choose Windows server. For everything else, Linux wins.
Would you like to elaborate by answering the questions posed there ? Concisely or verbosely. Linux Wins. Windows Sux is not the cookie-cutter answer I would expect on HN.
However, I'll bite:
> Will your Linux provider be able to support your entire infrastructure in the Cloud if the time comes?
We wouldn't put our entire infrastructure in the "Cloud", nor would our provider suggest it. Other companies have done so, though. While speaking informally, they're not happy with being "in the cloud" generally - regardless of provider.
> Does your provider offer a robust group of offerings, including Infrastructure-as-a-Service (IaaS) and Platform-as-a-Service (PaaS)?
I'm not very good at buzzword bingo.. but yes, they do provide their infrastructure and platform as a service. The last outage was about 18 months ago, entirely our fault. When was the last Microsoft cloud outage?
> Are they focused solely on the private cloud,
No, they're not focused solely on the private cloud - nor are Microsoft.
> and can they support Microsoft technologies for your existing Windows, Office, SQL Server and .NET users?
We have no need for supporting users of Microsoft technologies, so I really don't know how they'd be. Crap, I guess.
> Considering starting your next project on Linux? Yes. Have you?
> Acquisition costs are a fraction of the Total Cost of Ownership of software projects. Will skilled talent be readily available if your project grows? Yes, we have been successful in the past and we don't expect any problems in the near future. Personal note: Finding a good Windows developer out of the crowd of clowns is more difficult.
> What will support costs be if you choose to outsource? This is not something we have considered.
> Could future migration costs be prohibitive? We do have a back-out strategy. We're not locked in.
> Will patching and security lead to downtime? No. We do not use Microsoft products in production.
> We encourage you to fully assess these factors. Good advice, I will read more than just this "article" when deciding what platform we'll use...
> What does the vendor ecosystem look like for your proposed Linux solution? There is more than one.
> Do your potential partners have a certification program for their professionals and how extensive is their experience? To be honest, in my role I really don't give a damn about our "potential partners". Most non-windows shops seem to be adept, in my experience.
> Persistent threats and dedicated attackers can slow your projects and put your IT environment at risk with Linux projects.
As with all platforms, as Microsoft has experienced.
Re: Why Microsoft? Microsoft vs. Linux
#35In 2014, 97% of top supercomputers are Linux based. http://readwrite.com/2014/07/01/linux-world-domination-compl...
How many super computers are running in your IT infrastructure ?
And many private businesses have large clusters with job scheduling very similar to HPC. HFT Finance firms come to mind.
Re: Why Microsoft? Microsoft vs. Linux
#36You should use Microsoft server solutions because 1. Microsoft servers work well managing linux solutions 2. Linux systems can't handle microsoft solutions themselves 3. We are uncertain what Linux is capable of/how secure it is 4. Therefore, you should go Microsoft (QED)
Ignoring how blatantly misleading these points might be given that linux is quite mature and we now live in a work of system virtualization (Wine anyone?), the argument here only serves to convince me that I should be using linux solutions instead of Microsoft solutions in my company. If a given solution works for linux (which, despite calling out Active Directory, they don't seem to have ruled out as a possibility) and can also be managed through Azure, then Why on earth would I create an inflexible system that can only be managed through Microsoft branded tech? Am I supposed to be convinced by their skepticism on linux? I'm perfectly capable of researching linux server solutions myself. Am I supposed to be amazed at the flexibiliy of Microsoft servers while simultaneously scared away from the flexibility of using linux solutions? Outside of server use, this doesn't seem like a good argument to use Microsoft solutions at all.
Re: Why Microsoft? Microsoft vs. Linux
#37Everything else in that page is a lie.
- The cloud as we know it is built on Linux.
- Web development has moved to Linux. Rails, Django, Laravel, Nodejs, all run better on Linux.
- Git works better in Linux, both as a server and as a client.
- The security issues are more severe in Windows.
And yes, MS AD is a killer feature.
Re: Why Microsoft? Microsoft vs. Linux
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah, the FSF argument. I guess saying GNU/Linux was too wordy for Microsoft anyway, with their whole Metro concept being "having information density and options is bad".
OK, where do you have your GNU X11 server? Or GNU SMB implementation? No, Samba does not come from under GNU umbrella.
Re: Why Microsoft? Microsoft vs. Linux
#39Re: Why Microsoft? Microsoft vs. Linux
#40I did a bit of digging, and apparently you need to follow a ridiculously long CNAME chain just to resolve the domain:
www.whymicrosoft.com. CNAME whymicrosoft.sharepoint.com.
whymicrosoft.sharepoint.com. CNAME prodnet17-37a0001.sharepointonline.com.akadns.net.
prodnet17-37a0001.sharepointonline.com.akadns.net. CNAME prodnet17-37ipv4a0001.sharepointonline.com.akadns.net.
prodnet17-37ipv4a0001.sharepointonline.com.akadns.net. A 157.55.62.117
For me, that's a typical example of why I avoid Microsoft stuff. They promise the world, but never seem to get the details right.