So now you know how it feels like to live in a banana republic?
The CIA's Reckless Breach of Trust
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#32No surprises here, of course this is what happens when you create an agency whose mission is to lie, decieve, and break the law, and then give it limited oversight and almost unlimited funding. The CIA's entire history is just one scandal after another.
The CIA's charter forbids any domestic campaigns...
They have altered the charter. Don't even bother praying.
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#33How come nobody in the media is calling this treason ? We're talking about a government agency hacking and spying on the US Senate. This is like a Will Smith movie plot about the government "bad guys". "Improper access"? Are you kidding me? I guess Manning was a fool for not "apologizing" for his "improper access". That would've definitely saved him. What's worse is that even after Feinstein accused them of hacking a…
It's not the media's purpose to declare something treason - doing so would make them look like partisan hacks.
How is this an issue of partisanship?
This is the CIA hacking the Senate. It's not GOP vs Democrat or even Executive vs Judiciary vs Legislative.
Besides, I think it can be entirely fair for newspapers to pose the question of "Is this tantamount to treason?", and let people decide for themselves.
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#34You know what's CIA's even more reckless breach of trust? Organizing fake vaccination campaigns[0]. Now the efforts with eradicating Polio in some parts of the world meet with resistance of people who don't trust the vaccination campaign isn't a cover for US clandestine operations[1]. Hard to blame them, to be honest. "The edict by the Islamic militants to ban immunization was in response to the CIA's setting up a fa…
Shouldn't be difficult to fix. The programs should just be financed and controlled by Saudi Arabia or some other ME country.
Shouldn't have to be fixed. This is fucking around with vaccinating kids. People should go to jail. One guy did go to jail and the US has been demanding his release.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/29/pakistan-bin-laden_...
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2014/07/14/commentary/wo...
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#35So now you know how it feels like to live in a banana republic?
While that may make you feel better about whatever country you happen to live in, if the most powerful nation in the history of the world qualifies as a banana republic then the phrase has no meaning.
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#36You know what's CIA's even more reckless breach of trust? Organizing fake vaccination campaigns[0]. Now the efforts with eradicating Polio in some parts of the world meet with resistance of people who don't trust the vaccination campaign isn't a cover for US clandestine operations[1]. Hard to blame them, to be honest. "The edict by the Islamic militants to ban immunization was in response to the CIA's setting up a fa…
Shouldn't be difficult to fix. The programs should just be financed and controlled by Saudi Arabia or some other ME country.
Such a cavalier attitude when talking of moral issues. I feel sorry for you.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not the media's purpose to declare something treason - doing so would make them look like partisan hacks.
How is this an issue of partisanship? This is the CIA hacking the Senate. It's not GOP vs Democrat or even Executive vs Judiciary vs Legislative. Besides, I think it can be entirely fair for newspapers to pose the question of "Is this tantamount to treason?", and let people decide for themselves.
It's the CIA looking at activity logs on CIA servers, to monitor what Senate users were doing, so they could interfere with the things the Senate found.
It's shady, and likely illegal, but it's not quite hacking, and it's definitely not hacking the senate.
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#38You know what's CIA's even more reckless breach of trust? Organizing fake vaccination campaigns[0]. Now the efforts with eradicating Polio in some parts of the world meet with resistance of people who don't trust the vaccination campaign isn't a cover for US clandestine operations[1]. Hard to blame them, to be honest. "The edict by the Islamic militants to ban immunization was in response to the CIA's setting up a fa…
I don’t believe that is an entirely fair characterization of that action. Was the United States not supposed to go after Osama Bin Laden? Hiding in an allied country whose intelligence services derailed previous missions? [1]
I’m impressed by the diligence in trying to make sure your most wanted target is there before taking lethal military action. I’m disappointed by the immediate release of operational details for political expediency.
It is a tragedy that people are refusing vaccinations in Pakistan, but it’s not fair to entirely blame the CIA. At least pass some of the responsibility to the Obama Administration and Pakistan itself. [2]
This current event is different and shouldn't be confused with an actual success. When the intelligence services operate against the people of the United States and its elected representatives, individuals from the Agency should be going to jail. We've allowed far too much intelligence overreach and people need to start being held accountable.
[1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_support_system_i... [2] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden
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#39How come nobody in the media is calling this treason ? We're talking about a government agency hacking and spying on the US Senate. This is like a Will Smith movie plot about the government "bad guys". "Improper access"? Are you kidding me? I guess Manning was a fool for not "apologizing" for his "improper access". That would've definitely saved him. What's worse is that even after Feinstein accused them of hacking a…
Well, technically it wasn't hacking or unauthorized computer access since the CIA originally set up the secure network: http://blog.erratasec.com/2014/07/no-cia-didnt-spy-on-other-... Nonetheless this is a complete moral failure and power-abuse that is equally worthy of punishment. They were monitoring use of the network, then attempting to classify new information as it was being analyzed.
Uh, it's still unauthorized even if they set it up. The DBA at a bank might have full access to the database, but if he uses it to siphon off Social Security numbers it'd be unauthorized access. Same thing here - they explicitly weren't supposed or authorized to access the network.
Re: The CIA's Reckless Breach of Trust
#40You know what's CIA's even more reckless breach of trust? Organizing fake vaccination campaigns[0]. Now the efforts with eradicating Polio in some parts of the world meet with resistance of people who don't trust the vaccination campaign isn't a cover for US clandestine operations[1]. Hard to blame them, to be honest. "The edict by the Islamic militants to ban immunization was in response to the CIA's setting up a fa…
I don’t believe that is an entirely fair characterization of that action. Was the United States not supposed to go after Osama Bin Laden? Hiding in an allied country whose intelligence services derailed previous missions? [1] I’m impressed by the diligence in trying to make sure your most wanted target is there before taking lethal military action. I’m disappointed by the immediate release of operational details for…
Killing one guy who isn't even all that important in the organization should definitely not have taken priority over seriously harming polio eradication efforts.
Yes, sometimes you should let the bad guy get away if the consequences of what's required to catch him are worse. This should be obvious, but people's minds shut down when confronted with "terrorism".