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Re: Founders On Depression

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I think get what you are trying to say, and as someone who has dealt with panic disorder, severe depression and addiction in my life, I certainly am glad that there is support, that people take it seriously and that there were some people that didn't judge me along the way. That being said, the way you are express your arguments yields some unintended consequences in logic. I believe that your implication that a brok…

Was with you up until that last paragraph. Strokes and poking around in the brain seem to provide pretty strong evidence that it's all physical. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you were suggesting, since meta-physical doesn't really imply much.

What is a mental illness then? It's just a brain with a somehow different state configuration - and why should one care? It is just a bunch of atoms and their relations anyways..

Can you really explain in your worldview why you would care at all?

Re: Founders On Depression

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was with you up until that last paragraph. Strokes and poking around in the brain seem to provide pretty strong evidence that it's all physical. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you were suggesting, since meta-physical doesn't really imply much.

What is a mental illness then? It's just a brain with a somehow different state configuration - and why should one care? It is just a bunch of atoms and their relations anyways.. Can you really explain in your worldview why you would care at all?

The patient's unhappy state as a result of the misconfiguration of his/her brain.

Re: Founders On Depression

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think get what you are trying to say, and as someone who has dealt with panic disorder, severe depression and addiction in my life, I certainly am glad that there is support, that people take it seriously and that there were some people that didn't judge me along the way. That being said, the way you are express your arguments yields some unintended consequences in logic. I believe that your implication that a brok…

Was with you up until that last paragraph. Strokes and poking around in the brain seem to provide pretty strong evidence that it's all physical. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you were suggesting, since meta-physical doesn't really imply much.

I'm not sure what you mean by "strokes and poking around in the brain"?

Re: Founders On Depression

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was with you up until that last paragraph. Strokes and poking around in the brain seem to provide pretty strong evidence that it's all physical. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you were suggesting, since meta-physical doesn't really imply much.

What is a mental illness then? It's just a brain with a somehow different state configuration - and why should one care? It is just a bunch of atoms and their relations anyways.. Can you really explain in your worldview why you would care at all?

I don't really think that worldview conflicts with caring.

I care because people with brain issues have a hard time in our society, why would it being physical make me not care?

With strokes and 'poking around in the brain' I just meant that there's a lot of evidence that when part of the brain is damaged it causes certain expected behaviors which would suggest that it's a physical system.

'Metaphysical' can be used by different people to mean different things since it's loosely defined as relating to things that are thought to exist which 'can't be seen'. This is why I asked for clarification, but I was mainly disagreeing with the idea that it's something supernatural or magical.

Re: Founders On Depression

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It's one thing to have external factors such as stress cause depression. Most of what I read concerning "founder depression" is along those lines. It sucks and isn't something to take lightly, even if some view it as self inflicted. But there's an entirely different class of mental illness that's closely tied to depression; those caused by chemical imbalances in the brain. Stress often amplifies the symptoms (think o…

It's complicated. You could argue stress is always the root cause and what varies is simply one's reaction to the stress. I feel deeply uncomfortable drawing a line between people who have "real depression" and "stress caused" depression. You wouldn't make the same comparison with people who have less advanced degrees of cancer, and yet those too can be stress induced, and thus viewed as "self inflicted."

Isn't cancer much easier to diagnose than mental illness? I think the complexity of mental illness is why we struggle, as a society, to properly understand and deal with it.

That being said I agree that drawing a line is difficult and possibly counter productive. When dealing with people's lives it can lead to more confusion than it helps explain.

Re: Founders On Depression

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> First of all, not sure I would call depression mental illness. In fact, I am offended by the word. It’s like saying that having a fever when you get a cold is having a muscle illness. I think the majority of people out there are depressed at some point and have no idea because society deems depression as a “mental illness” and therefore as something foreign and strange that only mentally ill people have. Key to add…

> People find it so difficult to get treatment for depression, which is absurd to me. If your arm gets broken, you don't "suck it up" and say "that's life", you go to a doctor and get treated. It's no different when your brain gets broken.

Yes, it is absurd. And those of us with depression are well aware of how absurd it is. But that doesn't make it any easier to actually go and get help. In fact the inability to seek help is yet another item on the long list of things that should be easy to do but aren't when you are depressed. All of which further reinforces the low self-esteem.

I wouldn't so readily dismiss the opinion of someone who actually has experience with depression when you clearly do not. Yes he is misunderstanding the term "mental illness" but this is the interpretation that most of the rest of society holds. Depression is not like a broken arm. It is not a "thing" that you "have". It is more of a description of a state of mind. There is no silver bullet cure because there is no single cause, it is deeply rooted in other issues.

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