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Correlation behind adblock growth surge and AdSense revenue doldrums

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Re: Correlation behind adblock growth surge and AdSense revenue doldrums

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We think (@pagefair) it's clear that adblock is being promoted just fine by word of mouth. It's the ad industry that's got to change somehow. We're trying to be part of that. What's shocking to us is how the ad industry mostly doesn't even recognise how fast adblock is growing. To them, it just looks like more people have switched off their PCs, because they just can't see that segment of the audience anymore. Theref…

I'm interested to see how the web business model changes in the next decade. I think it's likely that web advertising is a dead end. There's been a number of articles about how Facebook advertising is a waste of money, ad impressions are down in general, and like this article describes, Adblock is really taking off. I think, and desperately hope, that we're going to see more voluntary subscription type services like…

> I personally loathe advertising.

I've always had issues with the constant brain-washing with trivial rubbish, stupid humour and idiotic themes so often used in TV commericals. I tend to download movies/television now, or buy them on DVD, and so I hardly ever watch television per se. When I do, I find it jarring to be taken out of a story to be told about lavatory cleaner or some novelty foodstuff. I have the same feeling when browsing without AdBlock. How am I supposed to read the article with so much stuff dancing around my peripheral vision? Oh, I'm not, it's the ads which are the important thing.

In terms of practical effects, I find I am far less materialistic than many people I know, and less likely to buy things for the sake of it. I think this is because constantly being told you want a new car or consumer electronics will inevitably cause you to believe it. I don't mean this to be rude, btw - it's just how advertising works. Constant repetition combined with all the tricks of the trade like social proof, limited offers, etc.

Re: Correlation behind adblock growth surge and AdSense revenue doldrums

#32
I'm not so fussed about ads I can ignore, but (along with analytics and stuff like social media buttons) - they all add latency to web browsing with extra DNS lookups and HTTP requests.

It's especially bad on mobile.

So no matter how nice, useful or relevant the advertising is, unless it's hosted on the site I'm visiting, it will probably be blocked.

Re: Correlation behind adblock growth surge and AdSense revenue doldrums

#33
post #17

Google needs to start cleaning up their ad inventory NOW or they're going to lose the whole business to adblocking. If you'd like to see how toxic Google ads are simply do a google search for 'skype' on a fresh Windows machine without Adblock enabled. Now look at the ads-what are they for? Virus laden websites/fake installers. This is for a major keyword-why is Google allowing their ad pool to be poisoned by such bad…

They also need to stop toying around with amateur designs at the expense of the whole AdSense programme:

http://adsense.blogspot.se/2014/05/a-new-look-for-text-ads-o...

I've seen the past works of the designers on the AdSense team and I'm not impressed. Plus it's quite naive to think that one design will fit all websites. Why can't AdSense, like other ad and affiliate networks, just open up an API so publishers themselves can be in charge of how their ads look and behave?

Re: Correlation behind adblock growth surge and AdSense revenue doldrums

#34
This is based on adsense partner network earnings, which is a small section of the total online advertising market. I don't think you can reach conclusions about online advertising in general (which is all affected by adblocking) from this.

Adblock may be playing a role, but I don't think that's what this data shows.

Several reasons:

_ 1 the centralization of the web. Adsense was built for the long tail web. Today's web is much more centralized with more impressions going to fewer, bigger sites. Google themselves play a few roles here. They run some of the big sites sucking up the traffic. Their search results are increasingly directing people to the big sites.

Fewer blogs more circles and tweets.

The data cited is from Google's quarterly results. Taken as a whole the data seems to support this theory.

  Q1-2014 'Sites Revenues' : $10.47 billion, a 21% increase over Q1-2013
  Q1-2014 'Partner Revenues' : $3.40  billion, a 4% increase over Q1-2013

  Q1-2013 'Sites Revenues' : $8.64 billion, a 18% increase over Q1-2012
  Q1-2013 'Partner Revenues' : $3.26 billion billion, a 12% increase over Q1-2012
 4% increase in Network Revenues.  
Overall, the growth in ad revenue actually accelerated from 19% to 22%. The growth just shifted from the partner network to Google's own network. Both are similarly affected by adblocking. There isn't an overall slowdown.

- 2. The market adsense ads are a part of is competitive, much more so than search.

For search ads, Google's reach, platform quality and ad quality is best by far. There is no competition. For content network ads, Google's inventory (the sites displaying adsense ads) and the platform is nothing special.

Competition is growing. Social media (including Google's own sites) advertising is the biggest new source of competition. In-app ads are anther. Those 'you might also like' content recommendation ads you might find on news sites on are another source are another growing segment 9and an important way of picking up that one weird trick for flatter bellies).

Facebook is the real elephant in this room. Facebook ads work. The platform is improving and marketers are learning how to use it. They have an enormous inventory. They have user data enabling really powerful (or scary, depending on your perspective) targeting. Since so many Facebook users check in multiple times per day, campaigns can target (and report on) daily impressions and such.

Facebook ads work in ways other ads don't. A lot of ad dollars are flowing into Facebook, some would have gone to adsense.

_ 3 "content network" ads on adsense are in the more direct competition for ad dollars with the offline world than most online ads. This is a volatile market segment. Blue chip advertisers can cut 7-8 figure budgets to zero in a bad year (like 2011). On a smaller scale, it's still a volatile market

I'm not saying that adblocking doesn't matter. I'm sure it does. But these are two noisy datasets you are looking at. You need to correlate different things to make this point. Maybe earning per 1m pageviews for some site.

Re: Correlation behind adblock growth surge and AdSense revenue doldrums

#35
I think this is based on adsense partner network earnings, which is a small section of the total online advertising market. I don't think you can reach conclusions about online advertising in general (which is all affected by adblocking) from this.

Adblock may be playing a role, but I don't think that's what this data shows.

Several reasons:

_ 1 the centralization of the web. Adsense was built for the long tail web. Today's web is much more centralized with more impressions going to fewer, bigger sites. Google themselves play a few roles here. They run some of the big sites sucking up the traffic. Their search results are increasingly directing people to the big sites.

Fewer blogs more circles and tweets.

The data cited is from Google's quarterly results. Taken as a whole the data seems to support this theory.

  Q1-2014 'Sites Revenues' : $10.47 billion, a 21% increase over Q1-2013
  Q1-2014 'Partner Revenues' : $3.40  billion, a 4% increase over Q1-2013

  Q1-2013 'Sites Revenues' : $8.64 billion, a 18% increase over Q1-2012
  Q1-2013 'Partner Revenues' : $3.26 billion billion, a 12% increase over Q1-2012
 4% increase in Network Revenues.  
Overall, the growth in ad revenue actually accelerated from 19% to 22%. The growth just shifted from the partner network to Google's own network. Both are similarly affected by adblocking. There isn't an overall slowdown.

- 2. The market adsense ads are a part of is competitive, much more so than search.

For search ads, Google's reach, platform quality and ad quality is best by far. There is no competition. For content network ads, Google's inventory (the sites displaying adsense ads) and the platform is nothing special.

Competition is growing. Social media (including Google's own sites) advertising is the biggest new source of competition. In-app ads are anther. Those 'you might also like' content recommendation ads you might find on news sites on are another source are another growing segment 9and an important way of picking up that one weird trick for flatter bellies).

Facebook is the real elephant in this room. Facebook ads work. The platform is improving and marketers are learning how to use it. They have an enormous inventory. They have user data enabling really powerful (or scary, depending on your perspective) targeting. Since so many Facebook users check in multiple times per day, campaigns can target (and report on) daily impressions and such.

Facebook ads work in ways other ads don't. A lot of ad dollars are flowing into Facebook, some would have gone to adsense.

_ 3 "content network" ads on adsense are in the more direct competition for ad dollars with the offline world than most online ads. This is a volatile market segment. Blue chip advertisers can cut 7-8 figure budgets to zero in a bad year (like 2011). On a smaller scale, it's still a volatile market

I'm not saying that adblocking doesn't matter. I'm sure it does. But these are two noisy datasets you are looking at. You need to correlate different things to make this point. Maybe earning per 1m pageviews for some site.

Re: Correlation behind adblock growth surge and AdSense revenue doldrums

#36
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's easy. If you ever see one of our ads, you can permanently opt out using the close button. We're working hard not to show the kinds of ads that most adblock users would want to block. We currently have < 1% opt outs.

Are your ads image-only, or can they be Flash, iframes, or include scripts?

Only text and/or static images with strict limited on how they are displayed so that they are not annoying or intrusive. No scripts, so no viruses, and no third party trackers or creepy stuff like that either.

Re: Correlation behind adblock growth surge and AdSense revenue doldrums

#37
The online ad market is growing 25% YoY despite ad blocking. It used to be that large sites were filling their unsold inventory with AdSense, but not anymore. Ad exchanges like AppNexus and Google AdX are performing much better, with the benefit of an open environment (vs adsense blackbox).

Re: Correlation behind adblock growth surge and AdSense revenue doldrums

#38
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We think (@pagefair) it's clear that adblock is being promoted just fine by word of mouth. It's the ad industry that's got to change somehow. We're trying to be part of that. What's shocking to us is how the ad industry mostly doesn't even recognise how fast adblock is growing. To them, it just looks like more people have switched off their PCs, because they just can't see that segment of the audience anymore. Theref…

Are you including Adblock Edge? How is that doing?

Adblock Edge is included, as is every plugin or proxy that acts to remove advertising from web pages. Unfortunately, we can't specifically distinguish adblock edge from the others right now.

Re: Correlation behind adblock growth surge and AdSense revenue doldrums

#39
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We think (@pagefair) it's clear that adblock is being promoted just fine by word of mouth. It's the ad industry that's got to change somehow. We're trying to be part of that. What's shocking to us is how the ad industry mostly doesn't even recognise how fast adblock is growing. To them, it just looks like more people have switched off their PCs, because they just can't see that segment of the audience anymore. Theref…

Are you including Adblock Edge? How is that doing?

Pagefair is basically "Clean ads as a service." If they detect your using Adblock plus, they'll server you an ad, adblock plus won't block, because they pay adblock plus. (And because they claim to follow adblock plus's policy of 'good ads').

Which is annoying, because if you aren't using adblock plus, you don't get decent ads (just the standard ads), so ultimately it defeats the goal of adblock which is to make all ads non-obtrusive, for all users, not just the chosen few who use adblock.

Adblock edge will block pagefair ads, because adblock edge is a not-for-profit adblocker, unlike adblock plus.

Also hosts blocking remains a completely viable option.

Re: Correlation behind adblock growth surge and AdSense revenue doldrums

#40
post #24

I predicted a showdown between users and advertisers back around 2010, and every year since, I've been surprised it hasn't happened yet. Malicious advertising is probably the biggest driver of AdBlock Plus growth. Anecdotally, we just had another customer get hit by a remote computer service scam because she searched for something like "canon ink technical support", and an ad was listed at the top with an 800 number…

This this this. There are some huge players in the online advertising world who are supposed pillars of innovation and sustainability, but they have really failed at keeping sketchy, scammy, or downright malicious advertisers away. Inaction here will kill their industry. Google ads look like results and link to sites with malicious software downloads. iOS apps are full of "you have one unread message!" misinformation…

> iOS apps are full of "you have one unread message!"

Android isn't any better.

I have used adblock for years now, practically since I started using the internet. About 2 sites are whitelisted: hackaday and reddit. They show reasonable ads. I absolutely hate flamboyant flashing ads. Especially those that go full-screen on mouse-over.

If all ads where like the ads on reddit and HaD I wouldn't complain, I proably wouldn't even have an adblocker. But that malicious bulk? No thank you.

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