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Re: NSA classifies Linux Journal readers as extremists

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Nowhere in the evidence is there any indication that the NSA classifies Linux Journal as an extremist forum, or that it considers the readers extremists.

You're right, they just monitor and log everything and everyone on Linux Journals forums.

We really should stop saying the NSA's targets are considered extremists. They watch everyone.

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What I am really keen to know is whether revelations like these have any impact on the "would love to work for the NSA fanboy". Do they continue to be just as keen and rationalize these things away, or does it make them ponder a bit. Things have indeed been getting scarier by the minute. Interest in Linux is not treason, yet, but I cannot/dont rule out that it could be, for some value of 'Linux'. Several trends in po…

I briefly met a guy who worked for US intelligence (can't remember specifics). I asked him about the NSA. First, he told me he couldn't say much. Then he said "Well I don't wanna brag, but the NSA really has caught a lot of terrorists, and is way more competent than the media makes them out to be." This leads me to believe that either: all these press articles paint a distorted picture; or the level of rationalizatio…

I have also heard many cases of terrorists being caught but most of them were simply searching on the Interner about it and some agent showed up and provided them with moral support the means and opportunity to attempt something thus becoming a terrorist. Indeed there have been many arrests. But most of then were not active terrorists before meeting with the agent. But they were terrorists in the legal sense of the term, since thinking about terrorism makes you a terrorist.

Re: NSA classifies Linux Journal readers as extremists

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The depressing part for me is that I've started to consider what I search for on a daily basis and how that might look...essentially they are starting to make me paranoid. Over the last few months I've googled Numerous Weapon Systems (I have a fascination with WW1, WWII and Cold War history - stuff like Black Arrow etc). Insurgencies during the British Empire Electronics (want to get back into and saw a fun project t…

That is one way that thought control works. Religion uses this, "don't think naughty thoughts, God will record it and you'll pay for it later". NSA is God except that NSA exists and is real. Here your search is a bit like your thoughts. Any of those things you listed, possibly could have landed you on the "naughty list". So now you start to really worry about what you search for. If you can't research or find info ab…

An institution directed at the control of thought in the European world, based around weekly surveillance of the conduct and thoughts of every human being. Based around the censorship of all reading material and in the end based upon the ability to predict and to punish unorthodox thought.

http://benjamin.sonntag.fr/Moglen-at-Re-Publica-Freedom-of-t...

We begin therefore where they are determined not to end, with the question whether any form of democratic self-government, anywhere, is consistent with the kind of massive, pervasive, surveillance into which the Unites States government has led not only us but the world.

This should not actually be a complicated inquiry.

http://snowdenandthefuture.info/events.html

Surveillance is not an end toward totalitarianism, it is totalitarianism itself.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/europe-24385999

Re: NSA classifies Linux Journal readers as extremists

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"the agency is targeting anyone who is interested in online privacy" - not so surprising, is it. I wonder what other similar criteria there are for being considered an "extremist"? No Facebook or other social networking accounts? Uses Linux? Makes certain types of comments online that support privacy (like this one)? ... It's really unsettling. On the other hand, now that this is out, I think the NSA will suddenly ha…

So now they can legally do targeted investigations of even more people, or was that the FBI who needed their victims to fulfil one of a set of specific criteria? (Such as being n social steps from another victim.)

Re: NSA classifies Linux Journal readers as extremists

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The depressing part for me is that I've started to consider what I search for on a daily basis and how that might look...essentially they are starting to make me paranoid. Over the last few months I've googled Numerous Weapon Systems (I have a fascination with WW1, WWII and Cold War history - stuff like Black Arrow etc). Insurgencies during the British Empire Electronics (want to get back into and saw a fun project t…

You're nuts if you think there's significant overlap between yours and the activities of the people responsible for things like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_20...

Re: NSA classifies Linux Journal readers as extremists

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The depressing part for me is that I've started to consider what I search for on a daily basis and how that might look...essentially they are starting to make me paranoid. Over the last few months I've googled Numerous Weapon Systems (I have a fascination with WW1, WWII and Cold War history - stuff like Black Arrow etc). Insurgencies during the British Empire Electronics (want to get back into and saw a fun project t…

> NSA Report: "User noir_lord has an interest in privacy, weapons, insurgencies and excellent technical skills, user noir_lord should be monitored"

You've got the right profile to be a "collateral damage" in case something goes wrong around you.

Re: NSA classifies Linux Journal readers as extremists

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post #30

Nowhere in the evidence is there any indication that the NSA classifies Linux Journal as an extremist forum, or that it considers the readers extremists.

You're right, they just monitor and log everything and everyone on Linux Journals forums. We really should stop saying the NSA's targets are considered extremists. They watch everyone.

You're right, they just monitor and log everything and everyone on Linux Journals forums.

That's a contradiction. If you believe the latter, you don't think I'm right.

Re: NSA classifies Linux Journal readers as extremists

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Another repeat of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7983124

And to repeat: the config file available from http://daserste.ndr.de/panorama/xkeyscorerules100.txt says:

  /*
  These variables define terms and websites relating to the TAILs (The Amnesic
  Incognito Live System) software program, a comsec mechanism advocated by
  extremists on extremist forums.
  */
Linux Journal is listed there, as a ‘website relating to TAILS’, not as an ‘extremist forum’.

Re: NSA classifies Linux Journal readers as extremists

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I briefly met a guy who worked for US intelligence (can't remember specifics). I asked him about the NSA. First, he told me he couldn't say much. Then he said "Well I don't wanna brag, but the NSA really has caught a lot of terrorists, and is way more competent than the media makes them out to be." This leads me to believe that either: all these press articles paint a distorted picture; or the level of rationalizatio…

It also makes you wonder what those "terrorists" had actually done to warrant being captured.

Being stupid suckers for set up set pieces, or searching for pressure cooker based recipes for quinoa (not enough to be arrested, sorry, gitmo'ized, but enough to be questioned)[0].

[0] HN comments on "Pressure cookers, backpacks, and quinoa, oh my" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6140545

EDIT: @csandreasen I did not mean to imply that the quinoa incident was NSA related, but to give an example of what could happen as we veer deeper and deeper into a culture of surveillance and assumption of bad faith. Criminalization of sarcasm is another thing that will happen / has happened.

Re: NSA classifies Linux Journal readers as extremists

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"the agency is targeting anyone who is interested in online privacy" - not so surprising, is it. I wonder what other similar criteria there are for being considered an "extremist"? No Facebook or other social networking accounts? Uses Linux? Makes certain types of comments online that support privacy (like this one)? ... It's really unsettling. On the other hand, now that this is out, I think the NSA will suddenly ha…

> NSA will suddenly have a ton more "extremists" to look at. Let's say that in NSA's dictionary, extremist means "Anyone with even a small potential to alter the course of society, the economy, or technology." Those people, plus a comfortable margin, might be 5% of the population. The NSA probably has the resources to examine all the electronic communications and do high-quality transcription of verbal communications…

They don't need to transcribe. So-called "metadata" is what you'd be analyzing even if you had transcripts.
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