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Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1

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Post by icebraining » Fri, Jul 04, 2014, 10:26 PM UTC

rmoriz wrote: post #19

oddx wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need anything that you mention to scale. My company using hetzner for many years to build profitable business (not extremely big, but not "private blog") and we are happy with our choice. It probably took a slightly more time to build scalable solution with hetzner, but our monthly bill is 9 times smaller with hetzner (than comparable hardware with AWS). This savings allow us to hire 2-3 people more that ea…

How do you define scaling if a manual process controlled by another party is involved? Besides that, what do you think that Hetzner does not provide a 2 factor authentication? As Hetzner doesn't use HSTS on their client/api interface, it's quite easy to run ssl downgrade attacks, sniff your credentials and format all your servers, delete all your backups.

While they should implement HSTS, it's not really a problem for informed users; one can get the same protection by installing HTTPS Everywhere, which includes a rule for Hetzner.

Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1

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Post by vacri » Sat, Jul 05, 2014, 4:52 AM UTC

dmourati wrote: post #21

Note, a region is not a data center. A region is a collection of two or more Availability Zones (AZ). You can think of an AZ as a data center. http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/images/aw...

There's always at least three - there's a 'hidden' datacentre in each region if you can only see two AZs.

Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1

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Post by tellnes » Sat, Jul 05, 2014, 7:53 AM UTC

It looks like they have removed most of the DNS records, but eu-central-1.amazonaws.com still gives an authorative answer.

Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1

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Post by ThePhysicist » Sat, Jul 05, 2014, 8:11 AM UTC

Honestly this is great news! As the article says, many German companies insist on their data being hosted in a data center in Germany when buying SaaS (for whatever reason). So far, there haven't been any viable options when it comes to "full-stack" IaaS service providers here (except Profitbricks maybe, which doesn't even come close to AWS in terms of functionality or pricing though), so I'm really excited to see Amazon entering this market.

Of course the problem remains that Amazon is a US company and thereby required to cooperate with US authorities and hand them over customer data if requested, so some businesses might still not want to host their data there. Still, I'm excited that they're finally coming to Germany !

Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1

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Post by tiernano » Sat, Jul 05, 2014, 9:45 AM UTC

vacri wrote: post #32

dmourati wrote: post #21

Note, a region is not a data center. A region is a collection of two or more Availability Zones (AZ). You can think of an AZ as a data center. http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/images/aw...

There's always at least three - there's a 'hidden' datacentre in each region if you can only see two AZs.

for example eu-west-1: AWS bought that big warehouse in Tallaght, and it is somewhat operational, but not "live". You cant select it.

Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1

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Post by jafingi » Sat, Jul 05, 2014, 10:29 AM UTC

Awesome! But would still love to have a location in Amsterdam directly on the AMS-IX.

Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1

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Post by iamtew » Sat, Jul 05, 2014, 12:33 PM UTC

jafingi wrote: post #36

Awesome! But would still love to have a location in Amsterdam directly on the AMS-IX.

Luckily most locations in Amsterdam worth their salt is connected to AMS-IX, https://ams-ix.net/connect-to-ams-ix/colocations

If AWS setup deployment in Amsterdam, I can't imagine it wouldn't be in one of those places.

Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1

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Post by lucian1900 » Sat, Jul 05, 2014, 3:07 PM UTC

seanp2k2 wrote: post #15

lucian1900 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hetzner can give you extremely cheap physical hardware, prices which you cannot hope to approach with AWS. You don't need any of the buzzword-y technologies you list to be supported directly by the host. If you want Docker, you can run it yourself. VMs are over-rated.

I don't have a horse in this race, but IMO the point is more about AWS-provided infrastructure that lets people scale more easily than otherwise possible; things like Elastic Map Reduce, S3, DynamoDB, SQS + SNS, RDS, etc are less-easily replaced by home-grown equivalents. There are great open-source solutions for every one of those things, but the point is having to not manage them. If you're using the cloud as "just…

Tying yourself to a specific provider is dangerous.

RDS and EMR are fine, since you can reproduce the exact same API anywhere else. S3 is also fine, since its API is simple enough and even reproduced by other vendors. Something like DynamoDB I wouldn't touch.

Things like AWS are great for when you don't yet know what you need, for absorbing load peaks and for getting something running very quickly. They are however the most expensive thing you can buy for what you get.