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Harley-Davidson announces its first electric motorcycle

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Re: Harley-Davidson announces its first electric motorcycle

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> sounds like a jet engine turbine Well, so much for the hope it might quiet down the disruption from at least some Harley riders. Where I live, the noise from them is simply awful. I wish the noise ordinances would be enforced against them. Very selfish people, who inflict that upon the neighborhoods they ride through. Plenty of other bikes perform just fine while keeping noise to tolerable levels.

As an owner of a fairly quiet motorcycle, I've actually considered swapping out the mufflers for something noisier just so drivers notice me. I've only been riding a few years, but I already can't count the number of times I've been cut-off or nearly hit by people in cars that simply didn't see me on the motorcycle. The benefit of loud Harley-style pipes is that other drivers will at least hear you when they don't se…

Don't buy into the bullshit. People often don't appear to hear fire trucks, let alone the fruity tone of an uncorked Harley exhaust that is pointing away from the car. If you're getting cut off and frequently have near collisions, ask yourself if there's something you could be doing differently. Take an MSF course, you'll be surprised how lane position and other techniques can make a difference without pissing off your entire neighborhood.

Re: Harley-Davidson announces its first electric motorcycle

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Yep. The whole "no transmission" thing really is a huge lure on a motorcycle. There's a huge segment of the population that doesn't even know how to use a manual transmission in a car, let alone on a motorcycle.

Would you really want someone who could not be bothered to learn how to shift on a normal bike to be zooming around at 120mph+ on an electric super-bike? Besides, they already have sport scouters for that.

That's a fair question but the industry's answer, in the form of products like the Can Am Spyder is "Yeah, we want people who can't even balance on two wheels."

I also think the whole transportation industry is going to have to get over crashworthyness and move on to autonomous automatic crash avoidance. High speed trains are not crashworthy compared to traditional passenger trains. Efficient personal vehicles should not need to be crashworthy.

Re: Harley-Davidson announces its first electric motorcycle

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Yep. The whole "no transmission" thing really is a huge lure on a motorcycle. There's a huge segment of the population that doesn't even know how to use a manual transmission in a car, let alone on a motorcycle.

Would you really want someone who could not be bothered to learn how to shift on a normal bike to be zooming around at 120mph+ on an electric super-bike? Besides, they already have sport scouters for that.

Why would a person have to zoom around at 120+ mph on an electric bike just because they couldn't be bothered to learn how to shift on a normal bike?

There's no actual logical connection between the two things.

I've always wanted to learn how to ride a motorcycle. I would enjoy not having to shift. Accordingly I may choose an electric motorcycle over a traditional one. And none of that has anything to do with whether I'll be a safe driver or not.

Logically it's absolutely no different than a driver preferring an automatic car vs a manual transmission car. It doesn't mean the person is going to drive faster.

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Loud pipes save lives!

If it's so inherently dangerous to ride a Harley that their loudness is required in order to achieve an acceptable level of safety, then no one should be riding them, period. If non-Harley motorcycles with reasonable noise levels are insufficiently safe because they're so quiet, then no one should be riding motorcycles at all. I don't agree with either of these perspectives, but whenever anyone makes the "loud pipes…

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Re: Harley-Davidson announces its first electric motorcycle

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> sounds like a jet engine turbine Well, so much for the hope it might quiet down the disruption from at least some Harley riders. Where I live, the noise from them is simply awful. I wish the noise ordinances would be enforced against them. Very selfish people, who inflict that upon the neighborhoods they ride through. Plenty of other bikes perform just fine while keeping noise to tolerable levels.

Loud pipes save lives!

If people actually installed custom loud pipes as a safety precaution, they would point the pipes forwards, towards the vehicles that are actually liable to hurt them out of negligence.

Nobody points their pipes forwards. They install loud pipes because they are assholes, and want everybody behind them to know.

Re: Harley-Davidson announces its first electric motorcycle

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Their reasoning seems to be gimmickry. I've read several excerpts that state that they are considering this because the "young crowd is demanding eco-friendly vehicles". This is a terrible reason to just build an electric vehicle. I think they need to take a cue from Tesla and make it all about the neat features that Electric vehicles can provide, such as quicker acceleration, no transmission, etc. Just my 2 cents an…

I agree, the one main nifty feature I can think of is consolidation of weight and ability to play around with center of gravity on the bike. For instance, on a sport bike you would want to shift the center of mass to the front, to keep the front wheel down and also to help steering. Shifting the center of mass down would also help with flicking the bike in and out of corners. You can also design 2 wheel drive bikes!…

Careful that turning the key doesn't engage the wheel lock. Ouch.

Re: Harley-Davidson announces its first electric motorcycle

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Although I would love to own such a e-motorcycle for daily commuting, as an avid cand daily cyclist I getting more and more afraid of all electric vehicles.

Until now I could usually rely on the fact that motorised vehicles are loud enough so that I can hear even when I can not see them. But with all these new e-vehicles it might happen that they are almost completely silent at low speeds so I as a biker would loose half of my senses. I rely so much on vehicle sounds while riding bike that I feel almost feel blind when I wear headphones and listen to music while riding bike.

So I hope that all those new vehicle will make at least some sound when they drive on the same road as I do.

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Do you contact whoever is responsible for enforcing noise stuff? It's useful to keep a diary for a month. Include photos and videos. If you can dedicate a camera for a month and keep that in a fixed place it helps. You then make notes of all the details in the photos - licence plates, desceiptions, times, dates, etc. Dump all of that neatly collated information in the hands of whoever does the enforcement and see wha…

noise ordinances are often about sustained noise for longer than a few seconds, constantly above a certain decibel limit. you're likely to find that construction, large vehicles, and other things nearby are as much of a nuisance from a measured standpoint.

If that were true, towns would not have "No compression brakes" signs at the town limits. No one wants a loud ass Harley ridden by wannabe outlaw bikers waking their baby up at 2:00 a. m. That's one reason noise tickets are written (though not nearly often enough) for those with open pipes.

Re: Harley-Davidson announces its first electric motorcycle

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An electric motorcycle is the complete opposite of what Harley sells and how it succeeds. Interesting that a company that's succeeded by selling... old technology is attempting to innovate again. The V-Rod(attempt at innovation) was met meekly. Buell, where they actually innovated, shut down a few years ago. Harley Riders don't want innovation and change. They want noise and an image. The 'young crowd' wants cheap bi…

I read several times that the situation for Harley Davidson is quite bleak, so this might be the try to extend to new markets and save the company in the long run?

Re: Harley-Davidson announces its first electric motorcycle

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The "loud pipes save lives" excuse is a load of horse hockey, and everybody knows it.

Loud pipes save lives! Despite what you think in your ignorance. The AMA and thousands of motorcycle riders believe they do. http://motorcyclesafetynews.com/?p=878

The link you gave is just a personal opinion of some dude, he even admits that. No statistics, even lying, is provided.

I can easily throw an opposite opinion: besides riding motorcycle every single day, I drive car, and usually I notice motorcycles roar too late. Also, I had two occasions when drivers didn't notice sound of my motorbike (it's not quiet at all) and changed lanes right into me. So I prefer to assume every driver is deaf and ride that way.

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