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Re: Adobe's New Pen and Ruler

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Post by coldtea »

baby wrote: post #20
drcode wrote: post #14

I would marginally be considered a "professional artist" and I am salivating about these devices after seeing them in action. For me, the combination of accurate stylus, retina display, and that slider thingy are a dream come true! Sure, the iPad software that accompanies these programs is pretty wimpy, but I can easily work around these limitations with some post processing. However, every artist's workflow is diffe…

> "professional artist" I understand the novelty of drawing on an iPad. But I've tried it many times and it's just not accurate at all. You just have to look at the tip of those pens to understand that. IMO Cintiq is the only way to go if you're serious about "art". On the other side, if you use that kind of things for notes and rapid prototyping, why not.

Well, this guys managed:

http://procreate.si/

(Scroll down to the Gallery).

Re: Adobe's New Pen and Ruler

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Post by drglitch »

hobofan wrote: post #30
prawn wrote: post #7

Adobe's Ink and Slide page is here: https://www.adobe.com/products/ink-and-slide.html Coincidental timing as I have been looking at getting a stylus or Wacom tablet for sketching layouts and quick notes while at my desk. My Jot Pro with Penultimate has been a bit average, unfortunately. At that With the pen and touch line, you're anchored or near your laptop/screen and sketching is detached from the "ink" on screen.…

In my personal experience a pure Wacom tablet always beats a tablet + stylus combo. In past 5(?) years since I've bought a Wacom Bamboo, none of the tablets I tried even came close, and I tried most of them, including the ones with a wacom stylus. The problem all of them have, is that the surface is far to slippery and only the best I've tried came close in precision. The main downside with a Wacom is that you don't…

Having been using Graphires (now called Intuous Pro?) for better half of past decade, there is no going back once you've tried a screen + stylus combo. Wacom also makes one - the Cintiq, although it was ridiculously expensive until recently.

It may be subjective, but the advantage of drawing directly on screen is tremendous - it truly feels like paper, as opposed of drawing "blind" while looking up at a screen.

I went to the adobe launch event in NYC yesterday and was blown away by the demos and by how simple and intuitive the device is. So far, i'm very pleased with it - lets see what a week of use will bring...

Re: Adobe's New Pen and Ruler

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Post by drglitch »

lettergram wrote: post #6

I don't really like the feel of using these. I would much rather just tap two points draw a line and drag it where I want it. Why not use an entirely new design to make use of the technology?

Adobe said that the Line and Sketch apps are free (as well as photoshop mix), and in Line, there is a "soft ruler" you can use with any stylus or even your finger, minus the touch sensitivity of course.

Architectural drawings and design sketches such as dresses or electronics often have straight lines - but during creation process you just don't think that a side of something is "two dots connecting"

Re: Adobe's New Pen and Ruler

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Post by coldtea »

zachrose wrote: post #21
baby wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "professional artist" I understand the novelty of drawing on an iPad. But I've tried it many times and it's just not accurate at all. You just have to look at the tip of those pens to understand that. IMO Cintiq is the only way to go if you're serious about "art". On the other side, if you use that kind of things for notes and rapid prototyping, why not.

Still though: if it's good enough for David Hockney, it's quite good. http://www.annelyjudafineart.co.uk/exhibitions/david-hockney

Well, it's not like he does any detailed drawing. So his needs are simpler (for Mondrian, even more so, lol).

But check my other comment for Procreate (iPad app). It's impressive what people have done in it, even in 4K resolution.

Re: Adobe's New Pen and Ruler

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Post by jaredmcateer »

coldtea wrote: post #31
baby wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "professional artist" I understand the novelty of drawing on an iPad. But I've tried it many times and it's just not accurate at all. You just have to look at the tip of those pens to understand that. IMO Cintiq is the only way to go if you're serious about "art". On the other side, if you use that kind of things for notes and rapid prototyping, why not.

Well, this guys managed: http://procreate.si/ (Scroll down to the Gallery).

This guy managed to do great art in MS Paint[1] but it seems they are making great art despite their tool and probably not going to be a good tool for the mainstream professional.

[1] http://www.themarysue.com/ms-paint-art/

Re: Adobe's New Pen and Ruler

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Post by wlesieutre »

drcode wrote: post #29
baby wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "professional artist" I understand the novelty of drawing on an iPad. But I've tried it many times and it's just not accurate at all. You just have to look at the tip of those pens to understand that. IMO Cintiq is the only way to go if you're serious about "art". On the other side, if you use that kind of things for notes and rapid prototyping, why not.

This one supposedly has a super high accuracy. Did I get it wrong, is this just another capacitive stylus? If so, then I agree it's crap. Edit: darn, after some research it looks like this pen uses regular capacitance... Unless they solved the accuracy issue that existed with earlier pens, the review I saw must have been misleading... I thought this used a new technology.

The new thing going on is that Apple is letting you detect the size of a touch on the screen, which lets you approximate pressure by how smushed the tip is. Still going to be less accurate than a Wacom or similar stylus, but it's an improvement over being less accurate and not having pressure sensitivity.

Re: Adobe's New Pen and Ruler

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Post by tenfingers »

hobofan wrote: post #30
prawn wrote: post #7

Adobe's Ink and Slide page is here: https://www.adobe.com/products/ink-and-slide.html Coincidental timing as I have been looking at getting a stylus or Wacom tablet for sketching layouts and quick notes while at my desk. My Jot Pro with Penultimate has been a bit average, unfortunately. At that With the pen and touch line, you're anchored or near your laptop/screen and sketching is detached from the "ink" on screen.…

In my personal experience a pure Wacom tablet always beats a tablet + stylus combo. In past 5(?) years since I've bought a Wacom Bamboo, none of the tablets I tried even came close, and I tried most of them, including the ones with a wacom stylus. The problem all of them have, is that the surface is far to slippery and only the best I've tried came close in precision. The main downside with a Wacom is that you don't…

I agree. I've been trying several tablet with styluses so far, but I was always disappointed to the terrible precision/feel of the combination. I decided anything capacitive is not even worth trying.

This is still a capacitive screen, so you cannot rest your hand on the screen, like you would do normally with a true stylus. This is of uttermost importance for pressure control. And hey, you can use a regular ruler, like I normally do on wacom tablets.

I also cringe at the design of the stylus itself. I did try the Galaxy Note for almost 6 months, and decided it wasn't even worth the "Note" in the name. The stylus would lose 5% of the strokes at first (improved with "training"), and did so with an horrible lag, which you notice much more if the tablet is directly on the screen. The stylus was also too small to be comfortable (similar for the Lenovo Tablet 2).

I much prefer the HP or Toshiba styluses, which are much more like a regular Pilot/Micron drawing pen. I don't understand why they keep reinventing the "pen" (I also dislike the regular Intuos/Bamboo pen by the way - too big).

I don't really need "Cintiq" level. I did try the Surface 2, and it was much better than the alternatives, but it was too heavy and battery life too short. Couldn't try the Helix yet, but all in all, wacom-style pens is a must if you care about note-taking.

I'm disappointed by announce of the Surface 3 due to the lower pressure resolution of the stylus, which is a shame because this means much more narrow response customization. Double shame due to the higher-res screen would be really great for drawing. But I will try it as soon as it will be available in a shop nearby.

Sorry for the big rant/summary, but I still couldn't find a "portable tablet" that I could reliably use for note-taking :(. After my experience with capacitive pens, I really don't believe this can be taken seriously for drawing.

Re: Adobe's New Pen and Ruler

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Post by tritchey »

i_am_ralpht wrote: post #19
tritchey wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, the Ink is a lot more than that, including accelerometer data, and pressure sensitivity.

That's cool; thanks for sharing. So you could use the accelerometer independently of the touchscreen for gestures like flicking ink blots or swishing the "brush" in "water" -- or maybe you can do some fancy things on the screen like tapping on the same spot for stippling (using the accelerometer to approximate height and velocity, independent of the final pressure on the tip). There's so much fun stuff to do here!

Definitely, that is what we hope developers will start using it for. We expose the accelerometer data in the SDK, so developers can get access to the data. We also use the relative pen position to the iPad to sort out some offset issues to make sure the line appears to be coming from the tip itself.

Re: Adobe's New Pen and Ruler

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Post by tritchey »

pash wrote: post #12
prawn wrote: post #7

Adobe's Ink and Slide page is here: https://www.adobe.com/products/ink-and-slide.html Coincidental timing as I have been looking at getting a stylus or Wacom tablet for sketching layouts and quick notes while at my desk. My Jot Pro with Penultimate has been a bit average, unfortunately. At that With the pen and touch line, you're anchored or near your laptop/screen and sketching is detached from the "ink" on screen.…

Adonit announced their new Jot Touch [0] today, perhaps not coincidentally. 0. http://www.adonit.net/jot/touch

Not a coincidence. Adonit manufactures the Ink & Slide for Adobe, and apart from some cosmetic differences, and an additional button, the JTPP has all the same functionality as the Ink.
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