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Name #663399 “Becca Purple” in CSS4 Color?

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Re: Name #663399 “Becca Purple” in CSS4 Color?

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Please don't make everybody appreciate this story of grief. Everybody who is aware of this now is really sorry for Erics loss. We will accept that cancer is bad. We accept that your daughter dying at this very young age is tragic. But we all will suffer loss in our lives, most of us when our parents die. Making one's daughters death public like this is arrogant und unfair. It lifts his loss over the ones that we ours…

"Stop making your loss public; it's not more important than the losses in my life" is an argument I don't hear often. I can see some merit in it, but it sounds like a counter-argument to functionally any form of public funeral or acknowledgement of death. Couldn't this reasoning be applied as criticism for the funeral of Michael Jackson, Jim Henson, basically any celebrity or political figure, and any soldier who ret…

Thank you for your rational and neutral reply! My intention is not to just troll around.

You ask: > Couldn't this reasoning be applied as criticism for the funeral of Michael Jackson, Jim Henson, basically any celebrity or political figure, and any soldier who returns from military service in a casket?

I don't see this as a rethorical question, and I am going to answer it: Yes, definitely. In my opinion valuing the death of a politician or another person of public interest in the media higher than all common-day tragedy is an insult. My brother lost his very best childhood friend in a tragic car accident. My grandma commited suicide (which surprisingly, tragically is actually not that uncommon with elderly people). Where is his hashtag? I am not trying to make the same argument or really claim the same sympathies, but I am trying to point out that loss is universal, sad and never fair.

In some cultures the idea of absolute equality in death is prevalent. This concept is canceled out by the media attention of the death of a person. I feel very hurt, and loss is bad, there is no question that the individual has a right to mourning and grieving over the loss. But since there this is a universal concept it is unfair to bring other people into this. I do not blame Eric, but I am not sure I understand the motives of making this in to some sort of hashtag campaign.

I feel that this is very unfair, because in this emotional discourse there is no rational argument allowed. I hear people say that "Well what would it hurt, it is just a name in a spec!?". Would we feel the same way if religious groups would claim to influence technology in such a way? How about a Jesus Blue or a JHWH-Green. Religious feelings are also not up for debate, which is why I am claiming to feel molested, because there is no arguing allowed.

Re: Name #663399 “Becca Purple” in CSS4 Color?

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"Stop making your loss public; it's not more important than the losses in my life" is an argument I don't hear often. I can see some merit in it, but it sounds like a counter-argument to functionally any form of public funeral or acknowledgement of death. Couldn't this reasoning be applied as criticism for the funeral of Michael Jackson, Jim Henson, basically any celebrity or political figure, and any soldier who ret…

Thank you for your rational and neutral reply! My intention is not to just troll around. You ask: > Couldn't this reasoning be applied as criticism for the funeral of Michael Jackson, Jim Henson, basically any celebrity or political figure, and any soldier who returns from military service in a casket? I don't see this as a rethorical question, and I am going to answer it: Yes, definitely. In my opinion valuing the d…

There is plenty of rational argument allowed and currently taking place on this matter, so I rather doubt that's the source of your "emotional molestation". Please do not use this as an excuse to take a moral high ground in order to win a debate if you're unable to offer up a rational counterpoint.

Your points about celebrity losses versus personal losses is valid, but has a very simple answer: we don't know you. People well-known in communities or cultures can touch many lives, and people can and will form emotional attachments to them even if they never meet.

We are allowed to feel sad for someone else's loss. I'm sorry I never had the opportunity to feel sad for the people you have lost.

Re: Name #663399 “Becca Purple” in CSS4 Color?

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wouldn't it be more thoughtful to remember becca and support her family through a charitable donation or something along those lines rather than trivialize an internet spec? i feel for the family though and i think it was kind of jeff to reach out to them in a special way today. EDIT: just so others are aware what the family's wishes are: "The family requests charitable donations be made in Rebecca’s name to the Phil…

Why the dichotomy? Why can't we have both? Throughout this whole ordeal Eric has maintained that it is with the support of various communities that he has been able to deal with this tragedy. Eric has done a lot for CSS and the web as a whole, and this request would add zero additional complexity to the specification and only one or two lines of code to the implementation. It really isn't that big a deal, but there's…

Who needs both though, when the family already asked for very specific things?

It seems to me like "the community" needs to do this much more than the family needs it to be done. I don't see one article on Hacker News notifying folks about the donations that the family mentioned. Kind of backwards, don't you think?

Re: Name #663399 “Becca Purple” in CSS4 Color?

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post #23

Please don't make everybody appreciate this story of grief. Everybody who is aware of this now is really sorry for Erics loss. We will accept that cancer is bad. We accept that your daughter dying at this very young age is tragic. But we all will suffer loss in our lives, most of us when our parents die. Making one's daughters death public like this is arrogant und unfair. It lifts his loss over the ones that we ours…

We're carrying cultural inertia from simpler times when people didn't have easy access to the entire world to air their feelings.

It's culturally accepted to share your pain with people you know, and it's culturally accepted not to question or tell people they should keep it to themselves.

The problem is that with the Internet and social media the circle of "people you know" may easily turn out "the entire world".

Quite obviously, our minds are not equipped with the capacity of feeling for everyone's tragedy. If we could truly comprehend the tragedy behind a simple statistic like "thousands die in car accidents every month" it would render us depressed and unable to function.

As we feel more and more like a small village online (with a few billion people in it), the currently established "normal" cultural behavior in case of death will eventually start breaking down.

You are detecting the anomaly of following cultural patterns in a global online community where those patterns are ill-fitting. But most people don't detect it, they just follow the patterns.

Your thinking is not unique, but it's rare. Not many people stop to think and analyze why they're reacting the way they're reacting to your statements. Don't feel bad about the downvotes. We're merely machines running the program (culture) we've been loaded with. We do what the program says is right.

Re: Name #663399 “Becca Purple” in CSS4 Color?

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Stop making your loss public; it's not more important than the losses in my life" is an argument I don't hear often. I can see some merit in it, but it sounds like a counter-argument to functionally any form of public funeral or acknowledgement of death. Couldn't this reasoning be applied as criticism for the funeral of Michael Jackson, Jim Henson, basically any celebrity or political figure, and any soldier who ret…

Thank you for your rational and neutral reply! My intention is not to just troll around. You ask: > Couldn't this reasoning be applied as criticism for the funeral of Michael Jackson, Jim Henson, basically any celebrity or political figure, and any soldier who returns from military service in a casket? I don't see this as a rethorical question, and I am going to answer it: Yes, definitely. In my opinion valuing the d…

I'm sure if your grandma had (directly or indirectly) touched multitudes of people around the world, she'd have gotten her hashtag.

I won't get a hashtag when I die. Heck I'd be lucky to get a social media mention at all. But I'm not going to demand that nobody else get attention that I won't get.

I don't know Meyer or his family personally. But he is a long-time web hero of mine, I lost my mother to cancer recently, and I have a young child, so I followed his journey as he blogged and tweeted it. It was painful, sometimes so much so that I considered unfollowing him on twitter to avoid the depression that followed reading a tweet.

For all Meyer has done for the web, he deserves a little monument built for him one day. I'm sure he'd appreciate this particular one more than one to himself.

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