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Marc Andreessen says Snowden is a traitor

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Re: Marc Andreessen says Snowden is a traitor

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Leaving aside the meat of the article, I found this quote interesting: """ Andreessen said he was not surprised that the National Security Agency was spying. "The biggest surprise for me was that people were so shocked, because I thought we've been funding this agency for 50 years that has tens of thousands of employees and spends tens of billions of dollars a year." """ Does anyone else find this to be the case too?…

Without corroboration, you couldn't really talk about this too much in a public setting, because you'll sound like a conspiracy nut. There were enough hints out there to realize that there is mass surveillance, but if you suggested the size and scope of what is actually happening in say 2008, people would think that you are a nut.

Warrantless wiretapping was going on starting in 2002.

> you'll sound like a conspiracy nut

Yea I agree, for periods before 2002 it's a lot harder to explain "this assumption seems entirely consistent with the way they've always acted over decades of history" than it is to say "of course they'd do this, here's proof of the last time they did it".

Re: Marc Andreessen says Snowden is a traitor

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is now the bog standard reply of the closet fascists who support the NSA and their rampant spying. Yea man, those "closet fascists and their support of the NSA" and their statements in no uncertain terms that the NSA always been despicable. So let me get this straight: between 1) people who have always been fine with the NSA until a couple mos ago and 2) people who have always been disgusted by them and see th…

For what it's worth I entirely agree with you about people who dislike this and are also unsurprised by it. Andreesen makes it very clear he not the latter. He is claiming both that we should be unsurprised by it, and that because of this lack of surprise it isn't a big deal that we should care about. I am emphatically not coming down on people who are now, and have always been, against this type of surveillance.

My mistake, your comment sounded like a direct rebuttal to what I was expressing, which was that it was unsurprising and still despicable, not unsurprising and thus defensible. It also seemed like you were just assuming that anyone unsurprised must be condoning it. That's my mistake, I misread the subtext of your comment.
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