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Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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The mac integration for calls is great.

It does seem to have promise. I didn't catch all of the details, was there a demo? Was it able to say, switch a call over to your mac with the ability to do something like FaceTime?

They did a demo call with Dr. Dre. They didn't showing switching a call between devices. I did notice a video button on the call on the Mac suggesting you might be able to switch from audio to video (presumably FaceTime).

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There are two big things here: Health: it's stepping on the toes of many partners, but might be groundbreaking. It's extremely hard to crack healtcare, it's very closed, defensive system of people and bureaucracy, Apple might just have the power to do it. Extensibility: intents are basically _the_ reason Android can work so much better in many cases than iOS. I hope MS will bring it to WP very soon.

Yeh, I loved the health demo they did showing the Mayo Clinic app. Problem is that unless my local doctor integrates with it I'm never going to get to use most of this stuff. I think it's particularly going to be a problem outside the US where there are public systems. We might start missing out on these kinds of innovations and it's the sort of thing that would tempt me to go private (not the entire system, just per…

Well, the same issue presented itself with Passbook and airline tickets, for example. I regularly fly Southwest and Alaska, and Southwest still doesn't have Passbook integration. Passbook was fantastic when I was flying American and Delta, but it just isn't great enough to get me to switch airlines.

When (not if) this happens with HealthKit/Health, it'll be slightly disappointing to see these kinds of integrations from behind a glass window. At least some aspects of HealthKit are already being integrated with major fitness companies (namely, Nike), so not everyone will miss the boat entirely.

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>"Plus, it also knows who you’re talking to, which is crazy. By knowing who you’re talking to, it will send up predictions that are right for the type of conversation you have with that particular person." This is a bit scary... This means that Apple not only knows who I talk to but now actually maintain an index on how I talk with everyone. 1984 is getting closer and closer.

I'm guessing it's going to do all this stuff on the device, and not done in the cloud.

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this extensibility stuff might be enough to tempt me back to Apple from Android, at last. I am not sure if you are serious or not.

Why? The intends system of Android is amazing, and I use it heavily. It was absolutely a blocker for me switching to iOS.

Yes, Android intends are great, and that's why I was surprised when I read "this extensibility stuff might be enough to tempt me back to Apple from Android".

What I meant to ask was, what do you mean by "enough"? Does this mean that:

1. iphone/ios/Apple suddenly provides better extendibility?

2. Would you be able to, say, open a link to any browser of your choice in iphone?

If any of the above answers is "no", then, yes, I am not sure if you were serious or not. Hence my comment.

(Edited for clarity)

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this extensibility stuff might be enough to tempt me back to Apple from Android, at last. I am not sure if you are serious or not.

Why? The intends system of Android is amazing, and I use it heavily. It was absolutely a blocker for me switching to iOS.

Because third party iOS developers are still second class citizens compared to Apple in-house developers.

Google doesn't make third party developers second class citizens: it makes apps using the same tools and apis as available to everyone, and distributes them the same way that everyone else distributes their apps.

This is a step forward for Apple, but for example: Safari will remain the only browser available on iOS, and Apple's version of Safari will remain versions ahead of UIWebView meaning that any non-Safari browser will remain inferior by intentional design. True competition is prevented by design, and it takes 5 years to open up something as basic as the keyboard. How many more years until browser is opened up? 5 more?

It's an interesting move as far as platforms go, but I know that it's no where near what I want from a platform. It's still locked down, under featured and heavily controlled. For a non-tech user or someone who wants a dead simple phone, it seems great. But for those of us who love our devices, love customizing them in and out, and love trying to create the best experiences, Apple still is not a choice: we can't compete with Apple apps, we can't use their in-house APIs, and they still offer us inferior versions of the software/APIs that they use inhouse.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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>"Plus, it also knows who you’re talking to, which is crazy. By knowing who you’re talking to, it will send up predictions that are right for the type of conversation you have with that particular person." This is a bit scary... This means that Apple not only knows who I talk to but now actually maintain an index on how I talk with everyone. 1984 is getting closer and closer.

Well, they said that data will reside on your device only (no default internet access for custom keyboards, too).

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post #11

I don't have an iPhone, but I just can't understand why the keyboard cannot be lowercase when you're writing in lowercase. I just don't understand the motivation.

And I don't understand why they can't cram the punctation marks (at least full stop and comma) on it. And I have an iPhone...

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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post #12
post #11

I don't have an iPhone, but I just can't understand why the keyboard cannot be lowercase when you're writing in lowercase. I just don't understand the motivation.

The original reason for that was simply because they hadn't thought of that. The ongoing nominal reason was that it was a continuing nod to skeuomorphism. But given Jobs' passing, and the otherwise massive ditching of skeuomorphism since then, I do not begin to understand myself why that's the still the case. I'll hope that iOS 8 might introduce that mode as we get closer to shipping.

With third-party keyboards now available I imagine that it will be doable

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Call/SMS integration is great. It's worth noting that Google had absolutely everything they needed to do this years ago , and just... didn't. Hangouts is still inferior to iMessage today. It's a real shame. Edit: this extensibility stuff might be enough to tempt me back to Apple from Android, at last. Third party keyboards, too (I've gotten quite attached to the Android swiping stuff). Honestly, at this point, I'm no…

I used to be able to do this with my first color screen'd Sony/Erickson phone and OS X like, 10 years ago via Bluetooth. It was great to work with my Addressbook on the Mac, pick a contact and SMS/Call them. I could also use the phone as a remote control for iTunes, as well.

I used to do this with my Sony Erricson phone as well in 10.2 and 10.3 from Address Book/iSync.
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