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Re: The case for eating steak and cream

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Post by taejo » Sun, Jun 01, 2014, 9:31 AM UTC

ido wrote: post #18

NotOscarWilde wrote: post #15

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As a vegetarian, I don't laugh at people eating meat. In fact, when it comes to nutrition, eating (the right) meat is likely the most rational choice based on today's understanding. As a sidenote, I have looked into low-carb/keto diets and I've found that those are rather hard for vegetarians; reducing carb intake from some sources (rice, pasta) is easy, but even staple vegetarian foods rich in protein (tofu, lentils…

Where in Central Europe are you? I lived in Vienna and now living In Berlin, and while it was a bit of a struggle being vegetarian in the former it think over here there are actually quite a lot of good options (obviously not anywhere near as good as some other places like San Francisco).

As large, relatively "hip" capital cities, Berlin and Vienna are probably a "best case". In the German-speaking countries, there does seem to be a growing awareness and interest in vegetarianism, but in small cities in Germany I find my options in restaurants basically limited to pasta and pizza -- and of course falafel -- (though there are enough vegetarians and similar that there are shops selling tofu, vegan cheese, meat substitutes etc.). From what I've heard, the rest of central Europe is even worse.

Re: The case for eating steak and cream

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Post by Borkdude » Sun, Jun 01, 2014, 9:37 AM UTC

taejo wrote: post #31

ido wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where in Central Europe are you? I lived in Vienna and now living In Berlin, and while it was a bit of a struggle being vegetarian in the former it think over here there are actually quite a lot of good options (obviously not anywhere near as good as some other places like San Francisco).

As large, relatively "hip" capital cities, Berlin and Vienna are probably a "best case". In the German-speaking countries, there does seem to be a growing awareness and interest in vegetarianism, but in small cities in Germany I find my options in restaurants basically limited to pasta and pizza -- and of course falafel -- (though there are enough vegetarians and similar that there are shops selling tofu, vegan chees…

http://www.happycow.com is a handy guide for finding vegan and vegetarian places all over the world.

Re: The case for eating steak and cream

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Post by anon4 » Sun, Jun 01, 2014, 9:46 AM UTC

hueving wrote: post #12

zt wrote: post #8

I have been participating in a Stanford Medical research study since October. The name of the randomized control study is "One Diet Does Not Fit All" ( http://nutrition.stanford.edu/projects/DietbyGenotype-Study.... ). The basic premise of the study is that as almost everyone has one of two insulin responses to glucose and that if you have one response, you should be on a low-fat diet, and if you have the other, you…

> it's as simple as calories in, calories out This is definitely true, if you eat less calories than you burn, you will lose weight. But this is really hard to enforce for many people. Without blatant calorie labels on everything you eat, it's really easy to go over and then assume that it must not be true.

It's actually pretty easy to do without food labels. Apply this simple test: are you feeling dizzy from low blood sugar and is your stomach hurting from hunger?

If yes, then congratulations - you're burning more calories than you're eating. If no, then don't eat for a while. If no and you're actually feeling even a little full, stop eating, right now.

You'll get used to the lower calorie input after a while and the feeling of hunger won't be as sharp.

Re: The case for eating steak and cream

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Post by zurn » Sun, Jun 01, 2014, 9:56 AM UTC

NotOscarWilde wrote: post #15

kfk wrote: post #4

To me the most amazing thing is that we still have "low fat" food around and that it is still labelled as healthy. Instead, the low carb food is either labelled "low carb" or "paleo", which are both names that remind this gym fixated people everybody laughs at. Then you have all the vegan/vegetarian crowd who laughs at who eats meat and steaks. It's a mess.

As a vegetarian, I don't laugh at people eating meat. In fact, when it comes to nutrition, eating (the right) meat is likely the most rational choice based on today's understanding. As a sidenote, I have looked into low-carb/keto diets and I've found that those are rather hard for vegetarians; reducing carb intake from some sources (rice, pasta) is easy, but even staple vegetarian foods rich in protein (tofu, lentils…

A vegetarian calling meat eating "the most rational choice" !

It's destroying our planet and causing untold, horrific amounts suffering to animals just because people get a kick out of chewing on other beings.

PS. I've been around other European countries most my vacations and never had the problem. Worst case you get salads and omelettes.

Re: The case for eating steak and cream

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Post by Evgeny » Sun, Jun 01, 2014, 9:59 AM UTC

anon4 wrote: post #33

hueving wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's as simple as calories in, calories out This is definitely true, if you eat less calories than you burn, you will lose weight. But this is really hard to enforce for many people. Without blatant calorie labels on everything you eat, it's really easy to go over and then assume that it must not be true.

It's actually pretty easy to do without food labels. Apply this simple test: are you feeling dizzy from low blood sugar and is your stomach hurting from hunger? If yes, then congratulations - you're burning more calories than you're eating. If no, then don't eat for a while. If no and you're actually feeling even a little full, stop eating, right now. You'll get used to the lower calorie input after a while and the f…

It's actually pretty easy to do without food labels. Apply this simple test: are you feeling dizzy from low blood sugar and is your stomach hurting from hunger?

It actually wouldn't work in each and every case. I practise intermittent fasting, up to two days, and quite often I wouldn't feel dizzy and my stomach wouldn't hurt, at least as long as I have plenty of water. But I'm sure I'm burning more than I receive on fasting days!

Re: The case for eating steak and cream

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Post by steveklabnik » Sun, Jun 01, 2014, 10:03 AM UTC

NotOscarWilde wrote: post #15

kfk wrote: post #4

To me the most amazing thing is that we still have "low fat" food around and that it is still labelled as healthy. Instead, the low carb food is either labelled "low carb" or "paleo", which are both names that remind this gym fixated people everybody laughs at. Then you have all the vegan/vegetarian crowd who laughs at who eats meat and steaks. It's a mess.

As a vegetarian, I don't laugh at people eating meat. In fact, when it comes to nutrition, eating (the right) meat is likely the most rational choice based on today's understanding. As a sidenote, I have looked into low-carb/keto diets and I've found that those are rather hard for vegetarians; reducing carb intake from some sources (rice, pasta) is easy, but even staple vegetarian foods rich in protein (tofu, lentils…

I did vegan paleo for a while. It was tough, but manageable. Travel wrecked me though.

Re: The case for eating steak and cream

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Post by Evgeny » Sun, Jun 01, 2014, 10:03 AM UTC

gdrulia wrote: post #19

hueving wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's as simple as calories in, calories out This is definitely true, if you eat less calories than you burn, you will lose weight. But this is really hard to enforce for many people. Without blatant calorie labels on everything you eat, it's really easy to go over and then assume that it must not be true.

> This is definitely true It is a strong argument and I know to many examples where this is just simply not the case. I myself have been eating all my life big portions of food couple times a day, mainly with meat and potatoes, sometimes with some salad though a lot of times without any. I'm not a big fan of sweets, but I do eat bread and some other stuff containing carbs, simply because it is almost impossible to av…

Don't forget that your basal metabolic rate is not constant in different circumstances and over the duration of your life. It actually goes up if the calories consumed go up. I guess in some lucky individuals it may go up high enough to offset all extra calories - but, surely, to a certain limit.

Also, this BMR varies between different people - even if their bodies are very similar. So that is probably the source of the confusion "i know this guy who eats all the time and is skinny, therefore the calorie theory is wrong".

This page has links to numerous studies that prove the calorie in - calorie out theory. As far as I know, this theory was not yet disproved by any clinical study.

http://examine.com/faq/what-should-i-eat-for-weight-loss.htm...

Re: The case for eating steak and cream

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Post by steveklabnik » Sun, Jun 01, 2014, 10:04 AM UTC

nashequilibrium wrote: post #22

NotOscarWilde wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a vegetarian, I don't laugh at people eating meat. In fact, when it comes to nutrition, eating (the right) meat is likely the most rational choice based on today's understanding. As a sidenote, I have looked into low-carb/keto diets and I've found that those are rather hard for vegetarians; reducing carb intake from some sources (rice, pasta) is easy, but even staple vegetarian foods rich in protein (tofu, lentils…

Keto is not meant for long-term use. You will have one miserable life if you could pull that off but i doubt you could even if u tried. It works really well for cutting that last bit of stubborn fat when u trying to show your six pack.

There actually are people on long-term keto diets. It's actually used to help certain kinds of epilepsy, for example.

Re: The case for eating steak and cream

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Post by kevind23 » Sun, Jun 01, 2014, 10:09 AM UTC

ars wrote: post #20

NotOscarWilde wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a vegetarian, I don't laugh at people eating meat. In fact, when it comes to nutrition, eating (the right) meat is likely the most rational choice based on today's understanding. As a sidenote, I have looked into low-carb/keto diets and I've found that those are rather hard for vegetarians; reducing carb intake from some sources (rice, pasta) is easy, but even staple vegetarian foods rich in protein (tofu, lentils…

If you want to be on a low carb diet as a vegetarian you have to accept eating processed food, and a lot of it. Specifically: Soy Protein Isolate, TVP (Textured Vegetable Protein - it does have carb so don't overdo it), and Seitan (Wheat Gluten), if you are not a vegan then add eggs to that - perhaps as egg whites (i.e. more processed food). Nuts are reasonable too. Then add in a bunch of low carb vegetables (i.e. no…

As to the sugar, I find myself using stevia a lot now. You have to experiment with it; with some foods, you really notice the taste, and it doesn't work very well as a sweetener. But in greek yoghurt, for instance, stevia tastes really nice and not at all unlike sugar.

That brings me to a second point; as a vegetarian, one of my best investments was a simple reusable yoghurt strainer. Natural yoghurt has a lot of carbs in the form of lactose, but straining it into greek-style yoghurt removes these sugars, leaving protein and fat (which you can control by choosing no/low/full fat yoghurt). Add some stevia to it, and you've got a healty breakfast, snack, and/or dessert without any carbs.

I think it should also be said that relying solely on soya protein is not the best idea. It's a complete protein, yes, but there's very little we understand about nutrition--one of the few things we do know is that variety is better. That being said, the firmer the tofu, the fewer carbs--plus it's easier to cook (fries up nicer). If you get sick of tofu, paneer is a good alternative, and easy to make as well.

Finally, chia seeds can be a useful addition. They don't have a taste (but they absorb an incredible amount of liquid, so you can soak them overnight to make pudding), but are packed with fat, protein, and fibre (approx. 32% fat / 16% protein / 35% fibre / 7% net carb by weight).

Re: The case for eating steak and cream

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Post by Evgeny » Sun, Jun 01, 2014, 10:11 AM UTC

zurn wrote: post #34

NotOscarWilde wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a vegetarian, I don't laugh at people eating meat. In fact, when it comes to nutrition, eating (the right) meat is likely the most rational choice based on today's understanding. As a sidenote, I have looked into low-carb/keto diets and I've found that those are rather hard for vegetarians; reducing carb intake from some sources (rice, pasta) is easy, but even staple vegetarian foods rich in protein (tofu, lentils…

A vegetarian calling meat eating "the most rational choice" ! It's destroying our planet and causing untold, horrific amounts suffering to animals just because people get a kick out of chewing on other beings. PS. I've been around other European countries most my vacations and never had the problem. Worst case you get salads and omelettes.

It's destroying our planet and causing untold, horrific amounts suffering to animals just because people get a kick out of chewing on other beings.