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Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by sergiosgc »

Crito wrote: post #22
sergiosgc wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my country you can. There is also a 20 year limit to prison sentences, no matter the crime. The objective of the judicial system is not to punish but to recover dysfunctional society members. As such, it makes no sense to punish anyone with a life sentence, no matter the type (prison or fiduciary).

> There is also a 20 year limit to prison sentences, no matter the crime. That seems mildly misleading. Sentences can be extended beyond 20 years as long as the person is still believed to be dangerous to society.

Not in Portugal. They may extend to 25 by accumulation, but other than that, the limit is absolute.

You may conclude that someone is insane and force them to be institutionalized, but that is not prison, and the decision is not ever final.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by atmosx »

waynecochran wrote: post #19
hocaoglv wrote: post #10

Gottfrid Svartholm is currently being held in solitary confinement in Denmark, Peter Sunde is arrested in Sweden. I thought these countries were like role models.

Not trying to be a troll, but aren't these people essentially supporting theivery on a massive scale? I've never understood why so much of the Internet community thinks downloading software and/or movies that is meant to be paid for is ok.

Sure, fine him 500 USD and make him to 100 hours of social work. Not 20 years and 45 millions essentially for movies that no one would ever pay for anyway, e.g. if I download 'Charlie's angels' doesn't mean that I'm willing to pay a ticket or a rent a DVD to watch the movie.

Anyway, piracy is not good but the real price of renting an online movie, say from iTunes, should be about 0,30 USD. That way no one would bother.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by mpyne »

vinkelhake wrote: post #28
hocaoglv wrote: post #10

Gottfrid Svartholm is currently being held in solitary confinement in Denmark, Peter Sunde is arrested in Sweden. I thought these countries were like role models.

Sunde was tried and sentenced. He's been on the run since and hasn't served the time. Are sentences from trials ignored in role model countries?

> Are sentences from trials ignored in role model countries?

Only sentences that we personally consider unjust. That's how the law works, isn't it?

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by gdulli »

waynecochran wrote: post #19
hocaoglv wrote: post #10

Gottfrid Svartholm is currently being held in solitary confinement in Denmark, Peter Sunde is arrested in Sweden. I thought these countries were like role models.

Not trying to be a troll, but aren't these people essentially supporting theivery on a massive scale? I've never understood why so much of the Internet community thinks downloading software and/or movies that is meant to be paid for is ok.

> aren't these people essentially supporting theivery on a massive scale?

By the letter of the law: unclear, probably not.

By the spirit of the law: absolutely.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by kaugesaar »

ArcticCelt wrote: post #7
anaphor wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Together sentenced Pirate Bay founders in addition to prison to pay damages of around 46 million." Yeah, that's never going to happen. The prosecutor in their case came up with some fantastical amount of money TPB is supposed to have made, but it's complete nonsense (see the documentary TPB: AFK for details).

Can he just fill for bankruptcy to clear the damages?

He probably can. 5 years with living wage and he would be debt free. If he has filled for bankruptcy before (which I don't know) he might be denied the chance again.

// Swedish

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by bjourne »

anaphor wrote: post #4
ColinWright wrote: post #3

From Google translate ... Peter Sunde arrested in Skåne One of the brains behind the file sharing site The Pirate Bay has been arrested. Peter Sunde, 35, was arrested today in a raid in southern Sweden. - He has been on the run since 2012 , says Carolina Ekéus , press contact at NCIS . Rikskriminalen state that Peter Sunde has been wanted by Interpol and that he is now arrested. - He was arrested for him to serve a p…

"Together sentenced Pirate Bay founders in addition to prison to pay damages of around 46 million." Yeah, that's never going to happen. The prosecutor in their case came up with some fantastical amount of money TPB is supposed to have made, but it's complete nonsense (see the documentary TPB: AFK for details).

That's in SEK so about 5m € or 7m $. Nobody knows how much money they made or even has an estimate. But they did have lots of advertising for years on one of the worlds most popular sites and their costs for running it were minimal. They are bound to have made something from it.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by Zigurd »

waynecochran wrote: post #19
hocaoglv wrote: post #10

Gottfrid Svartholm is currently being held in solitary confinement in Denmark, Peter Sunde is arrested in Sweden. I thought these countries were like role models.

Not trying to be a troll, but aren't these people essentially supporting theivery on a massive scale? I've never understood why so much of the Internet community thinks downloading software and/or movies that is meant to be paid for is ok.

> supporting theivery on a massive scale?

That depends on your attitude. Only a very small minority of content creators make a living from that activity. Some people are always going to be cheapskates of varying degrees. Unless they are actually manufacturing and selling counterfeit copies of my books, in my view it doesn't rise to the level of a tort, much less a crime.

Google indexes downloads of my books. What consequences should that have? Same as for Pirate Bay? If you are a poor person in Pakistan, how else are you going to get it? If you are a rich person in a developed country, you are just a jerk if you lack the creativity to ask for a review copy. I don't see a practical way to have a different view of the situation. I could rail against downloads, but what is that going to do?

Publishing is a leaky bucket. If you take the advice of someone like Guy Kawasaki on how to promote a book, you should go with the flow and give away as many copies as you can. Every time I speak at a conference and give away a few dozen signed copies, sales go up. Someday that kid in Pakistan who torrented my book might work for a system integrator that hires me to train them.

If I thought reality wasn't OK, what should I do? Many of the problems in the computing industry come from efforts to deny the reality that content can't be protected beyond the audience's willingness to be honest.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by zz1 »

kefs wrote: post #2

Relevant: If you haven't seen it, TPB: AFK is a fantastic documentary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TPB_AFK http://watch.tpbafk.tv/

Not enough to fully understand the situation, but great documentary. Highly recommended. Freely available, of course, so here's a magnet link, for those unwilling to open their PirateBrowser / to bypass TPB censorship.

    magnet:?xt=urn:btih:98a2faaf2393aa4494bdc4f01f50ec3d010de8cf&dn=TPB%20AFK%202013%20The%20Pirate%20Bay%20Away%20From%20Keyboard%20SimonKlose&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ffr33domtracker.h33t.com%3A3310%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.istole.it%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ffr33dom.h33t.com%3A3310%2Fannounce&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fgenesis.1337x.org%3A1337%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F11.rarbg.com%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.com%3A2710%2Fannounce

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by fredsted »

bjourne wrote: post #36
anaphor wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Together sentenced Pirate Bay founders in addition to prison to pay damages of around 46 million." Yeah, that's never going to happen. The prosecutor in their case came up with some fantastical amount of money TPB is supposed to have made, but it's complete nonsense (see the documentary TPB: AFK for details).

That's in SEK so about 5m € or 7m $. Nobody knows how much money they made or even has an estimate. But they did have lots of advertising for years on one of the worlds most popular sites and their costs for running it were minimal. They are bound to have made something from it.

>costs for running it were minimal

What makes you say that?

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by tptacek »

fredsted wrote: post #39
bjourne wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's in SEK so about 5m € or 7m $. Nobody knows how much money they made or even has an estimate. But they did have lots of advertising for years on one of the worlds most popular sites and their costs for running it were minimal. They are bound to have made something from it.

>costs for running it were minimal What makes you say that?

One possible stab towards a response is to observe that the cost for most popular sites is dominated by headcount costs, and TPB didn't have a large headcount.
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