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Facebook wants to 'listen' to your music and TV

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Re: Facebook wants to 'listen' to your music and TV

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Oh, you mean scrobbling? That thing last.fm has done forever? And it only activates when you go into the status update UI? Sad that there's not a single, not even one positive mention of this feature here. I'm starting to think this whole privacy thing has turned a lot of you into luddites. I'm serious. The highest rated fucking comment is a post that takes a line from 1984 and replaces "telescreen" with "iphone". Ye…

last.fm doesn't scrobble your life, it only hooks into your music player not your microphone and camera.

Re: Facebook wants to 'listen' to your music and TV

#32

Oh, you mean scrobbling? That thing last.fm has done forever? And it only activates when you go into the status update UI? Sad that there's not a single, not even one positive mention of this feature here. I'm starting to think this whole privacy thing has turned a lot of you into luddites. I'm serious. The highest rated fucking comment is a post that takes a line from 1984 and replaces "telescreen" with "iphone". Ye…

I remember a time when this would have generated discussion on how cool it is or what technology they're using to accomplish it

Right, but as you yourself stated in your first paragraph, this isn't new. This kind of tech has been available for TV shows via Shazam for some time. Inevitably conversation will turn to privacy because that's the only new thing here.

Re: Facebook wants to 'listen' to your music and TV

#33
post #30

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It is fairly ironic that you use iPhone in your example considering that with side loading and permission over reach any talented hacker can access an Android phone to the level you describe while you would almost have to be a nation state to pull it off on a non-jailbroken iPhone.

with side loading and permission over reach a non-jailbroken iPhone You don't think it's a little unfair to compare a sideloaded (thus, compromised) Android phone with a non-compromised, non-jailbroken iPhone?

Side-loading and non-jailbroken are the defaults. Google is warning everyone to only download from the Play Store but few pay attention and everyone wants something for free.

Re: Facebook wants to 'listen' to your music and TV

#34

Oh, you mean scrobbling? That thing last.fm has done forever? And it only activates when you go into the status update UI? Sad that there's not a single, not even one positive mention of this feature here. I'm starting to think this whole privacy thing has turned a lot of you into luddites. I'm serious. The highest rated fucking comment is a post that takes a line from 1984 and replaces "telescreen" with "iphone". Ye…

I remember a time when this would have generated discussion on how cool it is or what technology they're using to accomplish it, but instead, it's PRIVACY PRIVACY PRIVACY

I had song identification on a candybar phone something like 6+ years ago. Why should I say the feature are cool and how the tech interesting? It's not anymore. I had those conversations years ago. Is the fact it got added to facebook's interface even slightly interesting? There is a very narrow window of posts where I care to tell people I was watching The Simpsons, but am not going to type anything about The Simpsons in the post. It's like location data, who cares where I am? Nobody but facebook, unless I'm traveling and say something about the travel, in which case it also doesn't matter the post is geotagged.

So should we sit around and coo about how great it is that a social network I barely use anymore integrated known tech I don't care to receive from them? Is that how you responded when facebook announced that they would provide email service? No, because it's a boring solved problem from a boring company just trying to gather more data on users. Google already did it, and better. Maybe there is an interesting article to be found somewhere in there about implementation or scaling it, that's it.

Of course the conversation is on privacy because the tech savvy are starting to realize just how much they've lost. And it doesn't sit well that it's been stolen in ways hidden from them and/or they been have been told to sit down, and accept. So I find it entirely expected that people are jumpy around another encroachment, even for something benign. Time and time again someone spills the beans on a benign use case that got leveraged for access. Sure you may find it poorly articulated, off target or needlessly reactionary. It doesn't mean there isn't an important underlying point.

Re: Facebook wants to 'listen' to your music and TV

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Oh, and this has nothing to do with Facebook's atrocious behavior in all things privacy?

Unless your fear is that Facebook wants to record your conversations on the sly, then yes, that is a completely insane thing to be worried about, and I'd ask for proof. Facebook doing what Shazam does doesn't somehow make it more skeevy.

> Unless your fear is that Facebook wants to record your conversations on the sly

Why wouldn't they do that? They could get more valuable marketing data. If they run voice recognition software, they can automatically pick out brand names, or listen in if you're talking about upcoming purchases. Maybe they overhear you having a fight with your spouse, so they can position ads for divorce attorneys when you log in to Facebook.

> Facebook doing what Shazam does doesn't somehow make it more skeevy.

Yes, it does, because Facebook is inherently a way skeevier company than Shazam. All you have to do is look at their history to date to see that.

Re: Facebook wants to 'listen' to your music and TV

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Situational awareness and semi-passive alternative inputs is being added to more and more devices. The always waiting your command "Ok Google" thing that Android phones and "Ok Glass" that Google Glass do comes to mind. Same for the XBOX One, only in that case it's also got a camera aimed at your livingroom. The Nest knows when there are people present. And now Facebook can listen to your surroundings while you post…

I wish "Ok Google" was always waiting - Instead you have to initiate it. It's pretty awesome when you've dirty hands and can't touch the phone, but you need to turn it on, and unlock it first.

I have a Moto X, it does have touchless always-on voice control: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOr8Wxcc0Gs (I don't have it enabled, though)

Re: Facebook wants to 'listen' to your music and TV

#38
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is fairly ironic that you use iPhone in your example considering that with side loading and permission over reach any talented hacker can access an Android phone to the level you describe while you would almost have to be a nation state to pull it off on a non-jailbroken iPhone.

with side loading and permission over reach a non-jailbroken iPhone You don't think it's a little unfair to compare a sideloaded (thus, compromised) Android phone with a non-compromised, non-jailbroken iPhone?

Jailbroken and sideloaded APKs do not equate to "compromised".

Re: Facebook wants to 'listen' to your music and TV

#39

Seems like this thread is full of people typing while wearing tinfoil hats. They have added a feature which works the same way Shazam et al do. You want to share what you're listening to? Press a button, the mic gets activated, and Facebook ID's the song for you to save you typing it out and searching yourself. They are not listening to you all the time, even when you're in the Facebook app.

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Re: Facebook wants to 'listen' to your music and TV

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, and this has nothing to do with Facebook's atrocious behavior in all things privacy?

Unless your fear is that Facebook wants to record your conversations on the sly, then yes, that is a completely insane thing to be worried about, and I'd ask for proof. Facebook doing what Shazam does doesn't somehow make it more skeevy.

Or, you know, just track everything you do by listening, building up ever more details on you.

>> Facebook doing what Shazam does doesn't somehow make it more skeevy.

Of course it does.

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