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Snowden’s First Move Against the NSA Was a Party in Hawaii

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so it all started at the Box Jelly co-working space :)

I just checked through my email to see if I could find the thread on this from the HiCapacity email list and I couldn't find it. I vaguely remember talk about a crypto party, but there's nothing in my email from that time frame.

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> He was leading a local “Crypto Party,” teaching less than two dozen Hawaii residents how to encrypt their hard drives and use the internet anonymously. I found this quite interesting. I wonder how many more of these events are happening around the world. They could teach how to use truecrypt, how to turn on two factor authentication for the popular services that use it and what it is, good password policies, and wh…

I've been hosting a few and back in February when we announced one via cryptoparty.se I got a call from Swedish national radio to comment on it.

So if you're hosting one, make sure to announce it to various sites.

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> A recent Wall Street Journal column argues that Snowden might have been working for the Russians and Chinese at the same time. This sounds straight out of The Onion. "Controversial figure found to be working for the Chinese, the Russians, Al-Qaeda, the KKK and Nazi Germany at the same time"

There has not been a single shred of evidence about this claim which is an attempt to discredit his motives. Here is the article mentioning this claim: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1cwq_2e...

Of course, it's clearly BS. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't see that.

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There's nothing as absolute privacy on the internet. Even Tor cannot keep you truly anonymous ( http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/view/34294/tor-is-not-a... ) However, perhaps Snowden's biggest achievement is to bring security to the forefront of everything and create a wave of new half-baked "security" products which want to ride the wave. The notion of security is relative and the weakest link is always us. A sm…

This is very true. But all that needs to happen is a non-trivial amount of people making the bastards work for it, in order to make the kind of at-scale mass monitoring the NSA and friends are doing become prohibitively expensive. And oh yeah, as a bonus, it makes you a less attractive target to your everyday script kiddie. That means truecrypt all the drives, https all the websites, pgp all the emails. In short, If…

Did Snowden, as a user of Tor, benefit from having more nodes in Hawaii at the time?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is very true. But all that needs to happen is a non-trivial amount of people making the bastards work for it, in order to make the kind of at-scale mass monitoring the NSA and friends are doing become prohibitively expensive. And oh yeah, as a bonus, it makes you a less attractive target to your everyday script kiddie. That means truecrypt all the drives, https all the websites, pgp all the emails. In short, If…

Did Snowden, as a user of Tor, benefit from having more nodes in Hawaii at the time?

Considering it's a stated goal of the NSA to break Tor, having more "friendly" nodes in any location would be a benefit for all.

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> A recent Wall Street Journal column argues that Snowden might have been working for the Russians and Chinese at the same time. This sounds straight out of The Onion. "Controversial figure found to be working for the Chinese, the Russians, Al-Qaeda, the KKK and Nazi Germany at the same time"

There has not been a single shred of evidence about this claim which is an attempt to discredit his motives. Here is the article mentioning this claim: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1cwq_2e...

And if there was such evidence that came to light, would you believe it? Would it change your opinion of Snowden?

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This article keeps saying in many words that the NSA would put Snowden on a boat to gitmo if they found out he hosted a CryptoParty. I don't see why, given that educating the US public about security best practices perfectly aligns with their mission. Back in 2001 they even released the first version of SELinux: http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/press_room/2001/se-linux.shtm... It is only in the post 9/11 world that we…

Not even post-9/11; Post-Snowden. Post-9/11 post Snowden, you could still make a solid argument for "these tools are to keep you safe from Evil Chinese Hackers, criminals, etc." It's patriotic to defend US "critical infrastructure" from these threats!

(and, ultimately, those are still the big threats today; NSA is a more interesting threat, and one where policy has some chance of working, but the ambient criminal threat is more commonly encountered.)

I think NSA probably doesn't want their people giving even pro-NSA talks in public without a lot of screening and approval, though. At most they'd have reviewed/pulled his clearance and fired him, not Gitmo'd.

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He was running one of the largest Tor exit nodes at 2Gbps. Meanwhile the NSA was reading everyone's Facebook posts. The irony is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

Except prior to his whistleblowing he was the NSA and helped enable that kind of data collection. It always seemed odd that defectors suddenly get absolved of their crimes. If the NSA, as an organization, is guilty of felonies, then their employees must face time, including Snowden. That's justice right? Or does the "I was just following orders/paycheck" defense suddenly work as well? Serious question, if we do round…

Make up your mind bro. Is it bad that he sysadminned for the bastards, or is it bad that he stopped? It can't be both.

I'm all for voting out current office-holders, but in their defense: the NSA not only lied to Congress, but spied on Congress so they could see how well their lies were playing.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There has not been a single shred of evidence about this claim which is an attempt to discredit his motives. Here is the article mentioning this claim: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1cwq_2e...

And if there was such evidence that came to light, would you believe it? Would it change your opinion of Snowden?

Didn't he provide classified documents to the South China Morning Post? Certainly a clever way to create plausible deniability, but anyone with Google would be able to see how closely related that paper is to Beijing[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Morning_Post#Alleg...

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This article keeps saying in many words that the NSA would put Snowden on a boat to gitmo if they found out he hosted a CryptoParty. I don't see why, given that educating the US public about security best practices perfectly aligns with their mission. Back in 2001 they even released the first version of SELinux: http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/press_room/2001/se-linux.shtm... It is only in the post 9/11 world that we…

"This article keeps saying in many words that the NSA would put Snowden on a boat to gitmo if they found out he hosted a CryptoParty." No, the actual words are just "That was a huge risk for him to teach a crypto party while he was working for the NSA." It was a risk for him, the kind of like organizing "don't drink sugar water" event while working for Coca Cola which has effectively its own police, and that at the t…

> Coca Cola which has effectively its own police

Link with more info?

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