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Re: Odoo: The new OpenERP

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Post by nathanstitt »

icebraining wrote: post #3

By the way, the core and base modules (and in theory, all community modules, since they're derived works) of Odoo are Free Software (APGL) and available on Github: https://github.com/odoo/odoo Disclaimer: I work for a company that implements solutions based on Odoo for small and large companies. So yeah, it's possible to make a living working on FOSS, if anyone still doubted it :)

I'd love to chat with you about my open source ERP, Stockor (stockor.org) Email is nathan @ that domain.

I'm currently firming up the plugin interface for it and am really want to get it right so that third-parties can easily build on top of it.

Re: Odoo: The new OpenERP

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Post by pnathan »

UK-AL wrote: post #29
pnathan wrote: post #4

I've considered working with OpenERP and looking at becoming a consultant in it (ERP is $$$ and very useful), but last I checked the OpenERP site (2? years ago?), the demo site was half broken. Glad to see it's gotten a refresh and a genuinely web 2.0 name. ;) Apparently the devs have churned it into a SaaS offering, which is also very cool.

is OpenERP contractor fees that large? I know SAP and Oracle Fees are high, simply because its quite hard to get opportunity to work on it, and all the certifications. So there aren't that many people around.

Well, I'm not sure what the rate is. But I know that it supplies a very valuable service, and other things in the space are very lucrative. I imagine that part of the lucrativity is the value that it provides to businesses.

Re: Odoo: The new OpenERP

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Post by UK-AL »

pnathan wrote: post #32
UK-AL wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is OpenERP contractor fees that large? I know SAP and Oracle Fees are high, simply because its quite hard to get opportunity to work on it, and all the certifications. So there aren't that many people around.

Well, I'm not sure what the rate is. But I know that it supplies a very valuable service , and other things in the space are very lucrative. I imagine that part of the lucrativity is the value that it provides to businesses.

Salary does't always mean value provided.

Salary = Supply/Demand.

Re: Odoo: The new OpenERP

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Post by AndyNemmity »

UK-AL wrote: post #29
pnathan wrote: post #4

I've considered working with OpenERP and looking at becoming a consultant in it (ERP is $$$ and very useful), but last I checked the OpenERP site (2? years ago?), the demo site was half broken. Glad to see it's gotten a refresh and a genuinely web 2.0 name. ;) Apparently the devs have churned it into a SaaS offering, which is also very cool.

is OpenERP contractor fees that large? I know SAP and Oracle Fees are high, simply because its quite hard to get opportunity to work on it, and all the certifications. So there aren't that many people around.

I wouldn't say it's hard to get an opportunity to work on it. The demand is high (which is why the fees are high).

Being good at it is hard, the certifications are sort of meaningless. You need to know a lot of different things, and it's very challenging to have the comprehensive toolset needed.

Re: Odoo: The new OpenERP

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Post by AndyNemmity »

jamesmcintyre wrote: post #21

If you look around there is no "beautiful ERP" solution out there and the status quo is "you can make a very capable ERP or a "pretty" ERP but not both". I understand the the difficulty of striking that balance but I think by applying the right kind of modularity to the app design (sort of like openERP but even more granular and forgiving) you can arrive at a solution which invites businesses of all-sizes but can gro…

SAP certainly has pieces of a "beautiful ERP" with Fiori. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYbn9Q6P0cU

Re: Odoo: The new OpenERP

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Post by kfk »

jamesmcintyre wrote: post #21

If you look around there is no "beautiful ERP" solution out there and the status quo is "you can make a very capable ERP or a "pretty" ERP but not both". I understand the the difficulty of striking that balance but I think by applying the right kind of modularity to the app design (sort of like openERP but even more granular and forgiving) you can arrive at a solution which invites businesses of all-sizes but can gro…

This is nonsense. An ERP has to run your business and operations. It has to be extremely reliable. Users couldn't care less about it's UX, in fact, the standard ERP solution, SAP, looks terrible, but it is also quite ok to use. In a big company an ERP error/fault can generate millions worth of damage, are you still thinking a prettier UI is a great start up idea for an ERP?

Finally, you forget that IT departments in big companies are just a tad above trained monkeys and your software solution has to take that into account, in fact, it's the first piece of your service: it has to be easy to maintain. It's probably here where you want to focus on to compete...

Re: Odoo: The new OpenERP

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Post by UVB-76 »

kfk wrote: post #36
jamesmcintyre wrote: post #21

If you look around there is no "beautiful ERP" solution out there and the status quo is "you can make a very capable ERP or a "pretty" ERP but not both". I understand the the difficulty of striking that balance but I think by applying the right kind of modularity to the app design (sort of like openERP but even more granular and forgiving) you can arrive at a solution which invites businesses of all-sizes but can gro…

This is nonsense. An ERP has to run your business and operations. It has to be extremely reliable. Users couldn't care less about it's UX, in fact, the standard ERP solution, SAP, looks terrible, but it is also quite ok to use. In a big company an ERP error/fault can generate millions worth of damage, are you still thinking a prettier UI is a great start up idea for an ERP? Finally, you forget that IT departments in…

> This is nonsense. An ERP has to run your business and operations. It has to be extremely reliable. Users couldn't care less about it's UX [...]

Indeed. When a person's livelihood depends on using your software, they have a pretty strong incentive to learn how to use it effectively, and put up with all its imperfections.

I'm sure some employees actually revel in how backwards and difficult to use their business software is. If everything were automated, effortless, and required no expertise, they'd be out of a job.

Re: Odoo: The new OpenERP

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Post by codeape »

ddorian43 wrote: post #7
icebraining wrote: post #3

By the way, the core and base modules (and in theory, all community modules, since they're derived works) of Odoo are Free Software (APGL) and available on Github: https://github.com/odoo/odoo Disclaimer: I work for a company that implements solutions based on Odoo for small and large companies. So yeah, it's possible to make a living working on FOSS, if anyone still doubted it :)

they still use their custom-own-built orm ?

I cannot understand why anyone would not use SQLAlchemy if they're building a database-backed Python application.

Re: Odoo: The new OpenERP

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Post by alien3d »

jamesmcintyre wrote: post #21

If you look around there is no "beautiful ERP" solution out there and the status quo is "you can make a very capable ERP or a "pretty" ERP but not both". I understand the the difficulty of striking that balance but I think by applying the right kind of modularity to the app design (sort of like openERP but even more granular and forgiving) you can arrive at a solution which invites businesses of all-sizes but can gro…

There's are diff between erp and mrp.Much focus on material resource planning. I do property erp software and customize for government.It really really complicate with all of layer of procedure . Taking other code base without experience can be painful and complicated. If any people here dealing with complicated procedurelayer.please share your experience.

Re: Odoo: The new OpenERP

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Post by kepano »

Not sure the rebrand is what will attract new customers to OpenERP.

A couple months ago, I evaluated ERPs for our business. OpenERP was one of the main contenders but ultimately the manufacturing module failed to meet our requirements and custom development would have been too costly.

I was also shocked to get a glimpse at OpenERP's internal corporate structure. Despite the open source nature of the project, their business model puts them on track to become yet another big, slow, expensive ERP company pushing massive service fees.

Unfortunately there's just no great solution in the ERP world. Requirements for this category are so complex that by the time a system becomes adequately feature rich, improvements in software technology make it feel obsolete. I wonder if someone will crack that nut.

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