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They are both relatively slow, so it was reasonable to mention them both in the context of something which is useful for machines that are relatively slow.
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LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment
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Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment
#32hmm I use KDE (latest) with indexing disabled, akonadi disabled, 3d desktop effects disabled
it seems very similar to LXQt and the project it replaces when it comes to resource usage and useability, except it is more mature and support a few more things.
Thats basically what keeps me on KDE. I would think KDE should disable akonadi and stuff by default personally - its super useable without all the heavy weight "crap".
Alt-F2, konsole and kwin basically are the reasons I use it.
Here's an example, too: I can tile my windows on any desktop i want with kwin without sacrificing non-tiling windows. I can even mix tiling and non-tiling. I dont have to remember 20 shortcuts for this, it works with the mouse too. Basically, its seamless.
(Thats also why I use it over awesomewm for example)
Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment
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Problem 1: you have a slightly old machine (512MB or 1GB of RAM) or something like a Raspberry Pi and you want a resource-efficient but modern-looking desktop. Problem 2: you want a VM with a DE but don't want to spend too much resources in it. Problem 3: you have a modern computer but prefer to have a lightweight DE and let the rest of the resources be used by your applications. Both LXDE and Razor-qt consumed about…
Ok, thanks for that list. I pretty much had 'xfce' as the solution there but can see the user model of Qt being a good component swap. I'll certainly build a VM with it to try it out, but my concern is that unless it gets some sort of traction it will just sort of fizzle out as folks graduate and move on to other jobs.
I doubt it. LXDE has been around for quite a while. It was already established when I started using it 5-6 years ago.
I've been using Mate (on Mint) happily, but I'll definitely give this a try on one of my laptops.
Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment
#34hmm I use KDE (latest) with indexing disabled, akonadi disabled, 3d desktop effects disabled it seems very similar to LXQt and the project it replaces when it comes to resource usage and useability, except it is more mature and support a few more things. Thats basically what keeps me on KDE. I would think KDE should disable akonadi and stuff by default personally - its super useable without all the heavy weight "crap…
> I would think KDE should disable akonadi and stuff by default personally - its super useable without all the heavy weight "crap".
I agree. Unfortunately, they replaced Nepomuk with Baloo in 4.13 (I think; Baloo seems more aggressive than the former) and have effectively taken the stance that users cannot (easily) disable it [1]. It's somewhat infuriating, because adding your home to the ignore list doesn't appear to work as advertised and it'll happily index everything including /var (bug?), NFS mounts, and anything it gets its grubby mitts on. The only solution I found that works is here [2] because there's no longer a UI to disable it (unlike Nepomuk). Beyond that, you're absolutely right: With all the cruft disabled, KDE is quite nice (long time user here as well).
That said, I'm happy with KDE, and I enjoy it in part because of the eye candy (probably a poor excuse). I've used LXDE on an old laptop before but there are always features that I seem to miss. Otherwise, it's great for users looking to avoid the cruft or have limited resources. LXQt brings some of the clean appearance of modern KDE with it, so that's a definite plus. It makes me eager to take it a spin, then possibly try it out on that old laptop--which doesn't play nicely with KDE no matter what's disabled.
[1] http://vhanda.in/blog/2014/04/desktop-search-configuration/
[2] https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1390267#p1390267
Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment
#35The lightweight Linux desktop environments have been battling for years now over who's Windows 95 clone is better. It's a nice paradigm because it's familiar to many users and serves its purpose. However, does low resource usage necessarily imply lack of innovation regarding user experience? Or does familiarity in this space just trump other concerns and experimentation should be left to the fat environments like Gnome, Unity, and KDE?
Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment
#36Not trying to be a problem here, but what problem does this solve? Why does someone undertake to make a new desktop environment? Is XFce/Kde/gnome/cinammon/what-have-you not enough?
I think there is a huge opportunity for a traditional, lightweight desktop that uses Qt. Both the Gnome and KDE camps have alienated large parts of their userbase during the KDE4/Gnome3 transition. I personally find both to be less usable than their predecessors. That leaves projects like Xfce/Mate to fill the gap. The problem with these environments is that they use GTK2, which is bitrotting. Migrating to GTK3 is risky in that it has essentially become the Gnome toolkit. It's version number and releases are synced with gnome and it regularly breaks old code and themes as well as bending to Gnome's UI vision. If LXQT can build something like a modern Gnome2 or KDE3 I could see them claiming a lot of happy users.
Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment
#37Qt runs fairly lightweight on top of the native BCM compositor of the Raspberry Pi. [1]
I wonder how this LXQt might compare to Maynard [2] resource usage.
[1] http://youtu.be/0j-Wakm5B84 [2] http://www.raspberrypi.org/preview-the-upcoming-maynard-desk...
Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment
#38hmm I use KDE (latest) with indexing disabled, akonadi disabled, 3d desktop effects disabled it seems very similar to LXQt and the project it replaces when it comes to resource usage and useability, except it is more mature and support a few more things. Thats basically what keeps me on KDE. I would think KDE should disable akonadi and stuff by default personally - its super useable without all the heavy weight "crap…
> I would think KDE should disable akonadi and stuff by default personally - its super useable without all the heavy weight "crap". I agree. Unfortunately, they replaced Nepomuk with Baloo in 4.13 (I think ; Baloo seems more aggressive than the former) and have effectively taken the stance that users cannot (easily) disable it [1]. It's somewhat infuriating, because adding your home to the ignore list doesn't appear…
From your first link:
"There is no explicit “Enable/Disable” button any more. We would like to promote the use of searching and feel that Baloo should never get in the users way. However, we are smart about it and IF you add your HOME directory to the list of “excluded folders”, Baloo will switch itself off since it no longer has anything to index."
This philosophy is why I stopped using GNOME and now prefer Xfce. I'm looking forward to trying LXQt when it's more stable.
Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment
#39"Qt" and "Lightweight" do not go together.
You are wrong.
1) QT works better when you not have accelerated drives (ie SVGA driver in X11)
2) The time in Nokia, QT was optimized to run in a mobile !! So must they tuned it to be more lightweight.
Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment
#40The lightweight Linux desktop environments have been battling for years now over who's Windows 95 clone is better. It's a nice paradigm because it's familiar to many users and serves its purpose. However, does low resource usage necessarily imply lack of innovation regarding user experience? Or does familiarity in this space just trump other concerns and experimentation should be left to the fat environments like Gno…