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Re: Oculus CEO says selling to Facebook convinced big developers to build for it

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Post by ajcarpy2005 »

dkarapetyan wrote: post #30
rtpg wrote: post #23

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>What do you think will happen to Oculus applications? Those that are sanctioned by Facebook will thrive and those that aren't will be brutally shut down. Does Facebook have a history of doing this? Instagram is still completely seperated (there's fb integration but twitter is the one that broke instagram integration, not the other way around). Not even mentioning the fact that the Oculus is not a SaaS, it's a screen…

That's not sustainable. Facebook is not buying these companies because they are adhering to some kind of moral code. Facebook is a corporation like any other that needs to justify things to investors and analysts. That's the model as far as I know. So if they're pouring money into Oculus and its ecosystem then surely they expect to get something out of it. Ultimately they control the technology and as a profit driven…

Startups need to be profitable too.

Re: Oculus CEO says selling to Facebook convinced big developers to build for it

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Post by DougWebb »

swasheck wrote: post #28
tormeh wrote: post #20

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Nono, this isn't Microsoft. It'll be something like Facebook Matrix Feed.

If it was Microsoft, it'd have to go through multiple rebrands before landing on something like Oculus 3.

Oculus 2014, which would be released beta-quality in 2015 and usable-quality in 2016 as Oculus 2014 SP1.

Re: Oculus CEO says selling to Facebook convinced big developers to build for it

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Post by thefreeman »

mikeryan wrote: post #19

FFS Selling to Valve would have convinced developers to build for it too.

There are probably a lot of reasons that wouldn't work (and didn't happen... I'm sure they were aware of the project).

But as a huge Valve fanboy... it sure is fun to imagine.

Re: Oculus CEO says selling to Facebook convinced big developers to build for it

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Post by selmnoo »

gjjhjjjhhh wrote: post #27
selmnoo wrote: post #21

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> I'm certain when the next version( when under Facebook ) is released it won't have any facebook integration, and its protocols will be checked and revealed by the community anyway. That doesn't necessarily mean anything. Lots of hip tech companies open source a lot of things, that doesn't make their rent-seeking, dark-patterned, scammy operations any better for the end consumer. Facebook is one of those companies w…

Can you give a couple of argumentative examples of their "public bad" actions? Maybe something else that dark design patters, which aren't exclusively limited to facebook. I'm honestly unfamiliar with their other nefarious behaviour, but I would love to know more about that.

I've talked about this before -- one of the reasons is how it helped in changing sharing culture w.r.t. privacy. One example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6530166

Re: Oculus CEO says selling to Facebook convinced big developers to build for it

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Post by caust1c »

michaelt wrote: post #10
cyborgx7 wrote: post #9

So he prefers rapid growth, with the risk of the whole thing becomming a bubble instead of the stability that results from a slow build of users and developer support? That doesn't put a lot of confidence in me either.

If you launch too gently, there's a risk no customer will buy it because no developer supports it, and no developer will support it because no customer will buy it. That said, I got the impression things were going pretty well for Oculus without Facebook's help.

I respect your business perspective about slow growth early on, but.. It's fucking virtual reality! I don't think there's any doubt that developers would be flocking to this with or without the acquisition.

Re: Oculus CEO says selling to Facebook convinced big developers to build for it

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Post by dkarapetyan »

ajcarpy2005 wrote: post #31
dkarapetyan wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not sustainable. Facebook is not buying these companies because they are adhering to some kind of moral code. Facebook is a corporation like any other that needs to justify things to investors and analysts. That's the model as far as I know. So if they're pouring money into Oculus and its ecosystem then surely they expect to get something out of it. Ultimately they control the technology and as a profit driven…

Startups need to be profitable too.

I don't think that's true. Sustainability makes for a better ecosystem. If you're driving towards breaking even and delivering value instead of profitability then it's a different kind of mentality. It's just that it's not the current status quo.

Re: Oculus CEO says selling to Facebook convinced big developers to build for it

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Post by CamperBob2 »

acgourley wrote: post #26
mikeryan wrote: post #19

FFS Selling to Valve would have convinced developers to build for it too.

Serious question - could Valve buy a company of more than a few people? Their company structure depends on having certain types of employees who are local in bellevue. I would also speculate those employees need to be added in a steady drip and not a huge rush. Maybe you're thinking 'What if they left Occulus alone and in LA?' - well... who would manage them from Valve's end? A self organizing committee?

Valve could buy the Vatican if they wanted.

Re: Oculus CEO says selling to Facebook convinced big developers to build for it

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Post by joeevans1000 »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #38
acgourley wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question - could Valve buy a company of more than a few people? Their company structure depends on having certain types of employees who are local in bellevue. I would also speculate those employees need to be added in a steady drip and not a huge rush. Maybe you're thinking 'What if they left Occulus alone and in LA?' - well... who would manage them from Valve's end? A self organizing committee?

Valve could buy the Vatican if they wanted.

Now that's an interesting mashup.
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