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Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Systems Management

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Re: Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Systems Management

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Sorry to ask the obvious question, but who cares? IS Programs (even the top ones) aren't the most rigorous things in the world. Anyone who is in a CIO type position should probably have real world experience, professional degrees be damned. Why aren't we talking about that instead?

Agreed. The fact is he did a pretty good job with the DC.gov websites according to just about everyone involved. They're the most data rich and accessible complex government site I've ever seen. e.g. http://data.octo.dc.gov/ Visual design aside, DC may well have the best website of any city or state in the country.

Are you serious?

"They're the most data rich and accessible"

Visual design aside, there's a distinct possibility that DC.gov is one of the most data rich government sites out there. The only problem is, well, finding the information. The findability level of this information is about like the hand-curated Yahoo! Directory from 1999.

And then there's accessibility. Maybe that means something different to you than me, but let's delve into it.

First of all, the page uses tables. That makes it a nightmare for any screen-reading software to utilize.

Turning off styles and javascript renders the main navigation useless.

The markup of the page is entirely table cells and font tags, granting no semantic meaning to the content whatsoever. This makes deep-searching the site even more problematic, as search engines have no context for the textual information contained within the page. E.g.; Google looks at h1 elements as having more important content than, say, a p element. It also limits the usefulness of screenreaders, as they read cell by cell, row by row. (thus, if two related pieces of content are in two cells, one on top of each other, they won't be read together - it will read the first one, then finish up the row before continuing on with the second cell).

Then there's deep-link URLs like, http://www.rrc.dc.gov/rrc/cwp/view,a,1182,q,447149,rrcNav_GI.... What does that even mean? Is it some attempt at securing the "Play in DC" page (which, to be honest, is fairly useless: all it does is list links to the history, entertainment, libraries, etc subpages.. the only reason it's needed is because the entire site design is one big Charlie Foxtrot).

Anyone who thinks this website is a "pretty good job" and has anything to do with: design, usability, accessibility, and SEO - well, you should probably turn in your card. Sorry to say. And if a C-level executive doesn't understand how -- especially with government sites -- accessibility for visually impaired individuals is extremely important, well. He either needs to be educated or, if ineffective, fired. It's nearly criminal (especially for a government website).

In finality:

Being a data rich site means nothing if accessing that data is akin to crawling through a swimming pool filled with broken glass and lemon juice. And then not even getting the information you were looking for when you first dove into the miasma of pain.

Re: Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Systems Management

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All the other "Charlie Foxtrots" (btw, wtf?) that he's perpetrated up until now, he doesn't have to live with those? How many inflammatory fuckups does a person get to commit before its fair game to point out that they're a jackass?

I believe that's for you to answer, since you're the one calling him one. What's your number? Three? Four? Guy might end up losing his job and being a mockery the rest of his life and all you've got to offer is to pile on? What is this, kindergarten?

Wow, you really think he might lose his job over this? I hadn't even really allowed myself to dream such a thing. That would be peaches, though.

Let's be clear: Dvorak isn't just some guy, he's a professional troll. We're not picking him out of obscurity and pantsing him in front of his classmates. He chooses to be a writer, to push people's buttons, to publish inflammatory material without doing any kind of research. If he loses his job, it'll only be because this is somehow the first time he's actually crossed the line into libel, and if he's a mockery for the rest of his life, he's in the same state he was a week ago, except now maybe some political junkies are in on it, too.

Re: Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Systems Management

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I believe that's for you to answer, since you're the one calling him one. What's your number? Three? Four? Guy might end up losing his job and being a mockery the rest of his life and all you've got to offer is to pile on? What is this, kindergarten?

Wasn't he one of the 'journalists' who bought into the SCO vs Linux thing? One way to not risk your job and reputation is to be very careful prior to publishing lies about people in widely circulated publications.

I think the followup to this story -- the impact on blogging, relationship of a columnist as a reporter, the degree of fact-checking needed before publishing, what, if anything happens to Dvorak -- is going to be much more interesting than the story itself.

Re: Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Systems Management

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Agreed. The fact is he did a pretty good job with the DC.gov websites according to just about everyone involved. They're the most data rich and accessible complex government site I've ever seen. e.g. http://data.octo.dc.gov/ Visual design aside, DC may well have the best website of any city or state in the country.

Are you serious? "They're the most data rich and accessible" Visual design aside, there's a distinct possibility that DC.gov is one of the most data rich government sites out there. The only problem is, well, finding the information. The findability level of this information is about like the hand-curated Yahoo! Directory from 1999. And then there's accessibility. Maybe that means something different to you than me,…

OK, so find a city or state website anywhere in this country that does better.

Most municipalities don't even have government data available in scanned PDFs, let alone a huge set of documented XML feeds published live on the website.

(And incidentally, it's a myth that screen readers require semantic markup with CSS to work. They do not. Nor does Section 508 require it. Screen readers generally work just fine with table-based tag soup. The dc.gov site claims to be Bobby 508 compliant and I'm not in a position to dispute that.)

Re: Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Systems Management

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When in doubt, always remember that John C. Dvorak is a complete jackass.

Please don't attack the messenger, even for a bad story. Unless you have proof that Dvorak was purposely lying, slandering him doesn't make your case any better. After all, if he screws this one up, he's going to have a very hard time getting respectability and credibility for future articles. That punishment is enough.

I think this comment is perverse.

Please don't attack the messenger

That phrase has always referred to someone delivering an unwanted truth. There was no "message" here at all, and no "messenger". "Please don't attack the libeler" would be more accurate. That doesn't pack the same pseudo-compassionate punch, does it?

Unless you have proof that Dvorak was purposely lying

That is an impossibly high and irrelevant bar. Gross irresponsibility, incompetence, and total disrespect for the truth aren't enough for you?

slandering him

Wow. That's a rich use of the word "slander", considering the activity this guy was just engaging in.

Re: Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Systems Management

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Please don't attack the messenger, even for a bad story. Unless you have proof that Dvorak was purposely lying, slandering him doesn't make your case any better. After all, if he screws this one up, he's going to have a very hard time getting respectability and credibility for future articles. That punishment is enough.

I think this comment is perverse. Please don't attack the messenger That phrase has always referred to someone delivering an unwanted truth. There was no "message" here at all, and no "messenger". "Please don't attack the libeler" would be more accurate. That doesn't pack the same pseudo-compassionate punch, does it? Unless you have proof that Dvorak was purposely lying That is an impossibly high and irrelevant bar.…

Sorry -- strange as this may seem, I don't read Dvorak. I don't know him from Adam.

Seems like a lot of other people do, though, and have strong opinions!

Re: Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Systems Management

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Huh? University College is exactly as much a part of the University of Maryland as College Park. The complaint is that his bio doesn't specify which campus he attended? This really matters?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_Of_Maryland "However, in 1997 the Maryland General Assembly passed legislation allowing the University of Maryland, College Park to be known simply as the University of Maryland, recognizing the campus' role as the flagship institution of the University System of Maryland." No one of thinks "oh one of those Maryland universities with different faculties and different quali…

I didn't know that, so I guess you have a point, but it does indeed sound like splitting hairs.

And the reason we are having this conversation is because Dvorak screwed up pretty badly and implied he had no degree at all. No one would have noticed a post alleging that he committed the crime of omitting the name of his college campus from his resume.

Re: Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Systems Management

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Please don't attack the messenger, even for a bad story. Unless you have proof that Dvorak was purposely lying, slandering him doesn't make your case any better. After all, if he screws this one up, he's going to have a very hard time getting respectability and credibility for future articles. That punishment is enough.

I hear you, but Dvorak did publish a slander against Kundra based simply on his rudimentary queries. This is hardly good journalism. from the article: "But I was able to verify Kundra's degree with just a few phone calls in under two hours." If your going to publish something so incendiary, you really must do your homework.

Saying you made a few phone calls does not constitute proof of anything. Dvorak put forward more evidence to support his claim than the author of the nextgov piece. Yeah, that claim is from the article, but are we supposed to simply take his word for it?

Re: Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Systems Management

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this comment is perverse. Please don't attack the messenger That phrase has always referred to someone delivering an unwanted truth. There was no "message" here at all, and no "messenger". "Please don't attack the libeler" would be more accurate. That doesn't pack the same pseudo-compassionate punch, does it? Unless you have proof that Dvorak was purposely lying That is an impossibly high and irrelevant bar.…

Sorry -- strange as this may seem, I don't read Dvorak. I don't know him from Adam. Seems like a lot of other people do, though, and have strong opinions!

I don't know anything about him either. My opinion has nothing to do with Dvorak. It has to do with your painting him as a victim of defamation when he obviously was the one doing the defaming.

Re: Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Systems Management

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't attack the messenger, even for a bad story. Unless you have proof that Dvorak was purposely lying, slandering him doesn't make your case any better. After all, if he screws this one up, he's going to have a very hard time getting respectability and credibility for future articles. That punishment is enough.

Dvorak was more than a messenger he was the creator & instigator... Would you argue he's just "blogging" so fact-based reporting is optional? Dvorak was pushing the limits of responsible journalism (similar to TechCrunch at times). We agree on one thing: his credibility is taking a huge hit, rightfully so.

He's trading credibility for ad hits. If that's his intention, he's doing a great job of it.
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