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Re: Does Porn Hurt Children?

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Post by nyrina » Mon, Mar 31, 2014, 1:06 PM UTC

zxcdw wrote: post #24

leaveyou wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because BDSM hurts ? (I really don't know, I only guess that's why the OP used BDSM as an example)

But is that a bad thing if it is something one enjoys? I find it saddening that people should be ashamed of their fetishes and whatnot, like it's a taboo. Why couldn't we just express our sexuality openly and the way we want to without social stigma surrounding it? If there's something I think which needs disruption in our Western societies, it is human sexuality. What's holding us back and with what arguments?

As long as every party is consenting and of adult human intelligence, I have no problem with it.

If you start playing with children, real rape and animals, I'm going to be the first person to call the police.

Re: Does Porn Hurt Children?

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Post by DanBC » Mon, Mar 31, 2014, 1:09 PM UTC

barry-cotter wrote: post #9

adnam wrote: post #2

"It turns out that the research suggesting that teenagers and pornography are a hazardous mix is far from definitive." [Devil's advocate] If you had children, would you need peer-reviewed literature to inform your decision to allow them access to pornhub? And similarly, if you were a politician elected by people with children?

No. My (currently hypothetical) children will grow up with as few barriers to consuming unsavoury weirdness as I did. I'll be doing it deliberately though.

So long as you're aware that some people (not me) will see that as abuse, and will report you to child protective services.

The line "i don't have any evidence of harm" will be weak, because laws exist to prevent children under 18 from having access to porn.

Re: Does Porn Hurt Children?

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Post by agumonkey » Mon, Mar 31, 2014, 1:12 PM UTC

throw-away4 wrote: post #14

Personally I started watchin porn on the internet at age of 7 and more actively at age of 10. I have not noticed any sign of it negatively affecting me. E: “If we start teaching kids about equality and respect when they are 5 or 6 years old --" And what does this BS SJW propaganda have to do with porn? It's just a way for people to get off.

How is your social life ? I'd be worried for people who only see sexual relationships, and somehow all relationships through cheaply crafted pornography.

Re: Does Porn Hurt Children?

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Post by JulianMorrison » Mon, Mar 31, 2014, 1:12 PM UTC

adnam wrote: post #2

"It turns out that the research suggesting that teenagers and pornography are a hazardous mix is far from definitive." [Devil's advocate] If you had children, would you need peer-reviewed literature to inform your decision to allow them access to pornhub? And similarly, if you were a politician elected by people with children?

Who are you gonna believe, peer reviewed research or your own lyin' eyes?

If you pick "eyes", you lack understanding of the strength of evidence and the fallibility of in-person observation.

Re: Does Porn Hurt Children?

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Post by Consultant32452 » Mon, Mar 31, 2014, 1:13 PM UTC

adnam wrote: post #28

barry-cotter wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. My (currently hypothetical) children will grow up with as few barriers to consuming unsavoury weirdness as I did. I'll be doing it deliberately though.

When you're children move from hypothetical realm to actual, let me know your opinion.

I just bought my daughter a Chromebook for her 7th birthday. I seriously doubt she's looking for anything unsavory at this age but I let her use it unsupervised and don't intend to start supervising her in the future.

Re: Does Porn Hurt Children?

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Post by adnam » Mon, Mar 31, 2014, 1:18 PM UTC

JulianMorrison wrote: post #34

adnam wrote: post #2

"It turns out that the research suggesting that teenagers and pornography are a hazardous mix is far from definitive." [Devil's advocate] If you had children, would you need peer-reviewed literature to inform your decision to allow them access to pornhub? And similarly, if you were a politician elected by people with children?

Who are you gonna believe, peer reviewed research or your own lyin' eyes? If you pick "eyes", you lack understanding of the strength of evidence and the fallibility of in-person observation.

If you pick "peer reviewed research" you probably never held your own newborn child in your arms, promising you'd do anything to protect them, and secretly wishing they never grow old. And perhaps you overestimate the strength of evidence.

Re: Does Porn Hurt Children?

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Post by throw-away4 » Mon, Mar 31, 2014, 1:19 PM UTC

agumonkey wrote: post #33

throw-away4 wrote: post #14

Personally I started watchin porn on the internet at age of 7 and more actively at age of 10. I have not noticed any sign of it negatively affecting me. E: “If we start teaching kids about equality and respect when they are 5 or 6 years old --" And what does this BS SJW propaganda have to do with porn? It's just a way for people to get off.

How is your social life ? I'd be worried for people who only see sexual relationships, and somehow all relationships through cheaply crafted pornography.

My social life is just like I'd want it to be. I got few close friends that I can trust and that's all I asked for.

If someone only sees sexual relationships it's probably not caused by pornography at young age but some other mental problems. You mustn't mix up porn and relationships because frankly they don't have anything to do with eachother.

Re: Does Porn Hurt Children?

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Post by adnam » Mon, Mar 31, 2014, 1:23 PM UTC

Consultant32452 wrote: post #35

adnam wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you're children move from hypothetical realm to actual, let me know your opinion.

I just bought my daughter a Chromebook for her 7th birthday. I seriously doubt she's looking for anything unsavory at this age but I let her use it unsupervised and don't intend to start supervising her in the future.

I hope no one sends her the link to imgur/spacedicks.

Re: Does Porn Hurt Children?

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Post by GotAnyMegadeth » Mon, Mar 31, 2014, 1:31 PM UTC

einhverfr wrote: post #22

One of the huge problems you have in this debate is the question of cause and effect. Does porn cause harm? That it does is indisputable. There are many cases where men report decreased sexual performance as a result of watching too much porn (that is a harm particularly if it interferes with close intimate relationships). If nothing else, that is a harm. Does it cause harm on the balance? That, however, is unknowabl…

> Does porn cause harm? That it does is indisputable.

Isn't the whole point of this thread, and the whole international debate, that it is disputable?

Re: Does Porn Hurt Children?

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Post by aaronem » Mon, Mar 31, 2014, 1:36 PM UTC

JulianMorrison wrote: post #34

adnam wrote: post #2

"It turns out that the research suggesting that teenagers and pornography are a hazardous mix is far from definitive." [Devil's advocate] If you had children, would you need peer-reviewed literature to inform your decision to allow them access to pornhub? And similarly, if you were a politician elected by people with children?

Who are you gonna believe, peer reviewed research or your own lyin' eyes? If you pick "eyes", you lack understanding of the strength of evidence and the fallibility of in-person observation.

I recently did a brief stint in academia; peripherally so, I grant, but close enough to see that sausage made, and indeed I had the rare privilege of seeing one particular lump of particularly indigestible offal picked apart and analyzed in microscopically unforgiving detail as a sort of teaching example, a short-hand demonstration of all the things which can and do separate the ideal of peer review from the reality. If the latter lived up to the former, you'd have a compelling argument; having seen firsthand how broad can be the chasm between them, I'd say you are verging very near a naked appeal to authority.

Reproducibility, in the unfortunately exceptional cases where it actually exists, is all that saves you from going over the edge; that said, even when I can reproduce an experiment to see whether my results match what the journal saw fit to publish, using a child of mine as a test subject is not a thought which appeals.