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San Francisco Police Department: Duties, Salary and Benefits

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Re: San Francisco Police Department: Duties, Salary and Benefits

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These men and women are signing up to protect us, at great personal physical (not to mention psychological) risk. They should absolutely earn a living wage that enables them to live in the community in which they serve.

So do members of the military and they get paid half as much.

I don't see anyone saying people in uniform shouldn't be making better wages.

Re: San Francisco Police Department: Duties, Salary and Benefits

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post #8

These men and women are signing up to protect us, at great personal physical (not to mention psychological) risk. They should absolutely earn a living wage that enables them to live in the community in which they serve.

I think they should be paid the market rate, just like everyone else.

Re: San Francisco Police Department: Duties, Salary and Benefits

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It's worth paying for good, non-corrupt police officers. Better to pay them well and hold them to high standards than to accept lower standards for lower pay.

I have to agree: police bribery is so common across poorer countries and is so harmful to the rule of law. Better to err on the side of overpaying.

Western countries where police are paid average wages don't seem to have much problem with corruption. Overpaying seems unnecessary.

Re: San Francisco Police Department: Duties, Salary and Benefits

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It's worth paying for good, non-corrupt police officers. Better to pay them well and hold them to high standards than to accept lower standards for lower pay.

Yes absolutely. I don't think these salaries are completely over the top (though a little high for a first job).

The problem I have is with the retirement/pensions. I'm happy to put up with pensions if someone makes $50k a year for 20 years as a teacher. But if you want to make the market rate comparable to the private sector, you live with the private sector benefits.

Can't have it both ways.

Re: San Francisco Police Department: Duties, Salary and Benefits

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a police officer with 5 years experience typically makes over 200k total comp between salary, overtime and retirement benefits. Some make as high as $600k+ a year. Feel free to look up the public records if you don't believe me. It's a much better paying job on average than being a software engineer Edit: and I'm not saying whether it should or shouldn't be a better paying job than a SE, just noting the facts. Many a…

Plus most police officers retire after 20 years, so technically the police office could retire at the age of 45.

Re: San Francisco Police Department: Duties, Salary and Benefits

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The base compensation is reasonable given the high cost of living in SF and the personal risk associated with the job. The pension is tougher to justify. Up to 90% of your salary at age 58 until EOL is likely unsustainable for the city. Cue epic battle between those who support public pensions and those who don't.

Re: San Francisco Police Department: Duties, Salary and Benefits

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post #8

These men and women are signing up to protect us, at great personal physical (not to mention psychological) risk. They should absolutely earn a living wage that enables them to live in the community in which they serve.

I agree that people should earn a living wage that enables them to live in the community that they serve, but all cops are bastards[1].

[1]: http://www.crimethinc.com/texts/atoz/fuckpolice.php

Re: San Francisco Police Department: Duties, Salary and Benefits

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I think it's fair considering how much it costs to live in SF these days. They also risk their lives everyday serving and protecting. You shouldn't be complaining if a police officer makes more than you. Their potential of making money is actually peanuts compared to civilians. Do you know any police officer billionaires?

I do know a police officer multi-millionaire.

And another that is a co-founder of a company he is doing on the side and seems to be finding some success. There are very few intellectual property clauses in their contract and it is a job that they can leave at the station door when they go home in terms of creative energy.

Those two are admittedly outliers but when I was running events I had to (well, it was strongly suggested by the police themselves) hire off-duty police officers for $80/hour for security. Not to mention overtime which is fairly common.

In short, yes they risk their lives, but these folks have more opportunity to pad their bottom line than you seem to imagine.

Re: San Francisco Police Department: Duties, Salary and Benefits

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post #8

These men and women are signing up to protect us, at great personal physical (not to mention psychological) risk. They should absolutely earn a living wage that enables them to live in the community in which they serve.

In theory, yes. In practice I do not think we are doing nearly the job of ensuring quality protectors that the situation demands.

Follow the link to read about a recent case of abuse by the SFPD. Notably, they beat up and put into solitary confinement a person who they acerbically associated with "wannabe billionaires"

https://medium.com/human-parts/9f53ef6a1c10

I am for supporting police with a good wage, but there are astonishing increases in police militarization and abuses of power. There should be a real balancing force, like with other professionals. One that works.

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