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Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by solo_ »

I understand where the authors are coming from. They're made that Eich supported a bill that denies their rights. However, what Eich does is his own, personal business. The writers, at least in my mind, are mixing business with their personal lives.

I support gay marriage, but I think that this isn't too much more than needless outrage. When someone boycotts Google because Google supports gay marriage, a lot of us look at them and go "Wow! What an idiot, boycotting Google because they think that Google is immoral! They're the immoral ones!" This is the exact same thing, it just happens that the authors' views align with our own. I think it's ultimately just petty. I'm glad gay couples can marry in California, where I currently live. I think it's a step in the right direction. I just think that needless outrage like this, which only isolates you from potential customers, gets us nowhere. We get it, you disagree with the CEO's personal values. I understand your outrage, and that might mean nothing to you. I just think there has to be a better way than this to actually get your point across.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by daeken »

ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #11

Would you also reject Tomas Jefferson as a founding father of America because he owned slaves? Should Martin Luther King also be rejected as an icon of the civil rights movement because he plagiarized material and had extramarital affairs with women. What people do or think in their personal lives and the value they add to a company are two different things. What about Nelson Mandella? Bill Clinton? Or all the other…

> Sit down with me for 5 minutes and I'll find a whole bunch of personal things about you I don't like either

"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by it_learnses »

transitionality wrote: post #23

When you're attempting blackmail, you need to ensure that your hostage has value to your victims that is commensurate with your ransom demand. You have a shitty puzzle game that's getting "thousands of downloads" and you want Mozilla to fire their CEO over that. Not going to happen. We can do without your shitty puzzle game, thanks.

It's not just them or their puzzle game. It's not just gay people either. It's everybody who wants everyone to be treated equally and not be denied their humanity. The CEO's values fly in the face of Mozilla's values. That's why he should be shown the exit door.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by Delenda »

vsviridov wrote: post #10

"By using Arabic numerals you are helping terrorists." As long as Mozilla products do not feature a "Not to be used by gays" warning, whatever Eich does in his time is irrelevant. He's free to spend his money in any way he likes. What prevented the authors of this article to spend $1000 to counterbalance Eich's contribution if they are so concerned?

> What prevented the authors of this article to spend $1000 to counterbalance Eich's contribution if they are so concerned?

So only people who pay for their rights deserve them. Noted.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by ceejayoz »

vsviridov wrote: post #10

"By using Arabic numerals you are helping terrorists." As long as Mozilla products do not feature a "Not to be used by gays" warning, whatever Eich does in his time is irrelevant. He's free to spend his money in any way he likes. What prevented the authors of this article to spend $1000 to counterbalance Eich's contribution if they are so concerned?

> What prevented the authors of this article to spend $1000 to counterbalance Eich's contribution if they are so concerned?

Who says they didn't?

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by general_failure »

ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #11

Would you also reject Tomas Jefferson as a founding father of America because he owned slaves? Should Martin Luther King also be rejected as an icon of the civil rights movement because he plagiarized material and had extramarital affairs with women. What people do or think in their personal lives and the value they add to a company are two different things. What about Nelson Mandella? Bill Clinton? Or all the other…

You are picking people in the past and comparing them to the present.

Continuing your line of thought..So you are saying if someone had slaves today, you would condone that act and continue supporting other stuff they make? Sorry, I would not.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by Blahah »

vsviridov wrote: post #10

"By using Arabic numerals you are helping terrorists." As long as Mozilla products do not feature a "Not to be used by gays" warning, whatever Eich does in his time is irrelevant. He's free to spend his money in any way he likes. What prevented the authors of this article to spend $1000 to counterbalance Eich's contribution if they are so concerned?

> whatever Eich does in his time is irrelevant

Of course it isn't.

If he was backdooring JS crypto libraries for the NSA, or shooting orphans, or selling crack, that would be seriously inappropriate behaviour and he would lose his job for it.

Many people might consider it inappropriate to be fighting against gay marriage - it's not just a political issue, it's a moral one.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by glesica »

evertonfuller wrote: post #5

Irrelevant of any feelings towards being gay or not. Surely this is a form of oppression in itself. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, whether you approve of them or not, and so by effectively black-mailing others to conform to your perceived social 'right'. I see this as a sad attempt at press. Having never heard of this company or product before.

You can't be oppressed by someone who has no power over you. The powerful oppress the less-powerful, that's the definition of oppression. Speaking your mind (as the authors of the article did) cannot, in any way, constitute oppression.

They are not blackmailing anyone, that is an absurd statement in fact. If what they have done is blackmail, then leaving a negative review on a product or app is also blackmail. Tweeting about bad customer service also becomes blackmail. If this is blackmail then expressing any negative opinion at all is blackmail.

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