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Nouriel Roubini: Bitcoin Is a ‘Ponzi Game’

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Re: Nouriel Roubini: Bitcoin Is a ‘Ponzi Game’

#31

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/FAQ#Is_Bitcoin_a_Ponzi_scheme.3F As mentioned in the link, Bitcoin certainly has tremendous value beyond simply making early adopters rich. If you don't believe it, I encourage you to listen to some of Andreas Antonopoulos' arguments about Bitcoin as a network vs Bitcoin as a currency. Bitcoin provides a vast number of benefits as a technology beyond simply being a "currency."

He probably made a mistake evoking Ponzi's name (although he never actually called it a Ponzi scheme, which it clearly isn't). But I think when people bring up Ponzi and bitcoins, the idea is closer to a bubble mentality where adopters are buying bitcoins to profit, not to use it as a currency ("bitcoin isn’t means of payment as few transactions in Bitcoin. And given its volatility all who accept it convert it right back into $/€/¥"). This, at the moment, is correct from what I can tell - it's much easier to spend cash than bitcoins on legitimate things. People aren't getting bitcoins for, say, the same reason an American going to France will get Euros.

There may be theoretical technological benefits to crypto-currencies, but they don't practically exist for most people who want to legitimately spend their money today. The only useful application I've seen so far are the microtip dogecoins on reddit.

Re: Nouriel Roubini: Bitcoin Is a ‘Ponzi Game’

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And in other news, global debt now exceeds $100 Trillion dollars - up 40% over the last 7 years: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-09/global-debt-exceeds... . Which is the bigger Ponzi?

Ponzi's not really the right word for either thing.

The huge growth of debt is a sign that inflation has been too low for too long in too many places. As long as the ECB and the Fed treat 2% as scary-high inflation, paying back debt becomes far more difficult.

To start solving the debt problem, the central banks should start targetting 4-5% inflation for a decade or so, and allow it to go a little above the target, rather than trying desperately to hold it down to less than 2%. This would reduce debt while encouraging investment and economic growth, which would bring down unemployment, which would help pay off debt. It's a virtuous cycle.

In contrast, Bitcoin is a deflationary currency. Deflationary regimes favor hoarding, make it impossible to invest, and ultimately benefit only the wealthy. Reasonable levels of inflation on the other hand favor economic growth, investment in real assets, and they favor the productive working class over the idle rich.

Re: Nouriel Roubini: Bitcoin Is a ‘Ponzi Game’

#35
at times like this i wish the supporters of bitcoin hadn't wedded themselves so thoroughly to libertarian ideology. they've turned this into a ideological debate when in fact it should just be treated like a cool new technology that could benefit everyone. i say this as someone who thinks bitcoin has the power to change the world but also believes that markets need regulation in order to prevent massive destruction due to volatility.

that said roubini is completely wrong about btc, just like krugman, and both need to change their thinking about what constitutes a currency.

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post #24
post #15

And in other news, global debt now exceeds $100 Trillion dollars - up 40% over the last 7 years: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-09/global-debt-exceeds... . Which is the bigger Ponzi?

the system where you can help pay down the debt by printing money?

Debt creates more money, so the existence of such a large amount of debt indicates that printing some more money would be a good idea, and that central banks and governments have failed to print enough money to power the economy at the rate it requires.

Re: Nouriel Roubini: Bitcoin Is a ‘Ponzi Game’

#37
All fiat currencies have the potential to be Ponzi scheme.

Our current system is a Ponzi schemewhere you can help pay down the debt by printing money?

This shifts wealth up.

numbers don't lie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-09/global-debt-exceeds...

Re: Nouriel Roubini: Bitcoin Is a ‘Ponzi Game’

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll just leave this here for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouriel_Roubini You can agree or disagree with his argument, but snidely dismissing him as someone without expertise who mistakenly thinks he is "super duper important" is silly.

"Expert" or not, the arguments he's making here are not only obviously wrong, but also almost certainly uneducated. Judge what somebody says, not who he is.

None of his observations are wrong, how they are uneducated?

Re: Nouriel Roubini: Bitcoin Is a ‘Ponzi Game’

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post #15

And in other news, global debt now exceeds $100 Trillion dollars - up 40% over the last 7 years: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-09/global-debt-exceeds... . Which is the bigger Ponzi?

>Which is the bigger Ponzi?

Who cares? It isn't a contest.

Re: Nouriel Roubini: Bitcoin Is a ‘Ponzi Game’

#40
Completely unpersuasive.

Bitcoin, or some other digital currency, will enable the selling of wisdom (different than information) in a free market as Ted Nelson originally envisioned when he coined the term "Hypertext", which isn't what the current web is, btw.

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