Am I the only one that loves the fact that it involves 64K programmers?
Well, the C64 was an Apple-beater...
Engineers Allege Hiring Collusion in Silicon Valley
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Re: Engineers Allege Hiring Collusion in Silicon Valley
#32FYI, the exact definition of the class here is people who "worked as a salaried Technical Employee": (a) for Apple from March 2005 through December 2009; (b) for Adobe from May 2005 through December 2009; (c) for Google from March 2005 through December 2009; (d) for Intel from March 2005 through December 2009; (e) for Intuit from June 2007 through December 2009; (f) for Lucasfilm from January 2005 through December 20…
What happened in December 2009?
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#33I have personally witnessed the frustrating side of this "no poaching" pact. A close friend was tired of the "Manager Arrogance" at one of these colluding companies. He quietly put out the word,pretty quickly got approached by a hiring manager at another company - things were going swimmingly. Then the Hiring manager put in the Req to HR - a V.P. called him personally and but confirmed this "no poaching" B.S. The wag…
What about quitting first after knowing of this fact?
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#34> It also offers a portrait of Silicon Valley engineers that differs sharply from their current caricature as well-paid villains who are driving up the price of real estate in San Francisco and making the city unbearable for others. What? "unbearable"? That seems a little out of place. Would most NYTimes readers have any idea what he's talking about? From the author's recent articles list: -- In little more than a de…
We could use a bit more self-reflection and a little less shooting the messenger around here. If you only want to read happy happy joy, disruption yeah, cheerleader stories about how awesome the tech industry is, I suggest TechCrunch. Our industry has a pervading attitude of treating anybody who is not "us" as roadkill on the highway to progress. That's going to turn against us a lot harder then these few relatively…
Yeah, when I want to learn why some startup failed or the reality of some tech, I don't listen much to the public tech world. I have to reach out to people and probe to get a better picture. Because then they won't be so busy applying spin for public consumption.
Like recently, there was some article here about a failed startup, and it felt like most of the discussion was pointless. Killing time of people's lives for no end. Because I knew people at the company, and there was such massive dysfunction which severely cut the chances of success regardless of virtually any other factor. I mean really goofy, where elements should be on a sitcom.
Or when you read about some tech which "everyone uses", and there's fundamental issues with it which inevitably bite people hard when they actually try to apply the thing, but everyone's like rah-rah.
Re: Engineers Allege Hiring Collusion in Silicon Valley
#35This is bound to happen in any industry where supply of talent exceeds demand AND the powers-that-be can get away with collusion (either by virtue of being 'private' or simply being powerful and thus not give a shit).
So what if one talented employee decided to quit one crappy company 'A' AND is unable to find work at the non-poach pact company 'B'? The place he quit will always find another willing sucker 'coz the supply is ever present (with, at most, a minor reduction in quality).
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting, since most of Palm's ideas on smartphones pre-dated the iPhone. No wonder we've changed the patent law to first to file, rather than first to invent.
Size of portfolio matters. This is the reason that tech companies seek to acquire large rather than technically sound patent portfolios. Briefly: defense against infringement runs around $1-$10 million per patent )(it may be higher, my information's somewhat dated). Defeat one patent, and the company with the larger portfolio presses suit with another, and another. Even if the plaintiff successfully defends itself ag…
In a successful defense, does the defending party get their legal fees reimbursed by the suing party?
Re: Engineers Allege Hiring Collusion in Silicon Valley
#37FYI, the exact definition of the class here is people who "worked as a salaried Technical Employee": (a) for Apple from March 2005 through December 2009; (b) for Adobe from May 2005 through December 2009; (c) for Google from March 2005 through December 2009; (d) for Intel from March 2005 through December 2009; (e) for Intuit from June 2007 through December 2009; (f) for Lucasfilm from January 2005 through December 20…
What happened in December 2009?
The Justice Department intervened.
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#38I have personally witnessed the frustrating side of this "no poaching" pact. A close friend was tired of the "Manager Arrogance" at one of these colluding companies. He quietly put out the word,pretty quickly got approached by a hiring manager at another company - things were going swimmingly. Then the Hiring manager put in the Req to HR - a V.P. called him personally and but confirmed this "no poaching" B.S. The wag…
What about quitting first after knowing of this fact?
I guess it is risky. Many people see finding next job before leaving previous one as the responsible thing to do. Especially if you live in an expensive location or have family or other financial obligations that simply needs to be paid.
Technically, you can find "temporary" job in smaller company and then move to the company you "really" want to work in. It just seem to me somewhat jerk move toward that smaller company.
Re: Engineers Allege Hiring Collusion in Silicon Valley
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Size of portfolio matters. This is the reason that tech companies seek to acquire large rather than technically sound patent portfolios. Briefly: defense against infringement runs around $1-$10 million per patent )(it may be higher, my information's somewhat dated). Defeat one patent, and the company with the larger portfolio presses suit with another, and another. Even if the plaintiff successfully defends itself ag…
In a successful defense, does the defending party get their legal fees reimbursed by the suing party?
That depends. One of the problems, again, is that the process can take its sweet time to happen, and there's always a risk involved. Your legal team needs to be paid up-front, generally, which means that in terms of financial capital you're allocating your resources in advance, and have that much less to contribute to real business investment.
Other than that -- I'm wading in above my head, so I'll let someone more qualified respond at more length.
Re: Engineers Allege Hiring Collusion in Silicon Valley
#40I have personally witnessed the frustrating side of this "no poaching" pact. A close friend was tired of the "Manager Arrogance" at one of these colluding companies. He quietly put out the word,pretty quickly got approached by a hiring manager at another company - things were going swimmingly. Then the Hiring manager put in the Req to HR - a V.P. called him personally and but confirmed this "no poaching" B.S. The wag…
What about quitting first after knowing of this fact?
You mean everyone quit together? That's called a strike.