Vulnerable to what, exactly? Oh, at the end of the article they mention that SL might become vulnerable to some future security flaw. Kind of a link-baity headily if you ask me.
Apple retires Snow Leopard from support, leaves 1 in 5 Macs vulnerable
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Re: Apple retires Snow Leopard from support, leaves 1 in 5 Macs vulnerable
#32> Apple on Tuesday made it clear that it will no longer patch OS X 10.6, aka Snow Leopard, when it again declined to offer a security update for the four-and-a-half-year-old operating system. Well, The SSL bug only affected Mavericks. Additionally, I don't think we know if the security updates released for mountain lion and lion also affected Snow Leopard. And if it did, well, Apple moves quicker than Microsoft does…
My $2700 Cintiq is 7 years old and works dandy, but Wacom will not be making Maverick drivers -- ever. So I won't be upgrading ever. My TV is 10 years old and working. We have a 15 year old TV in the office. My 2001 ibook is going strong and my six year could use it -- but it can't even be updated to the new wireless networking protocols, and linux abandoned the G3.
> Wacom will not be making Maverick drivers -- ever
For the Cintiq, or in general?
Are they necessary?
I ask because I have an Intuos Pro and haven't had a problem on Mavericks.
Re: Apple retires Snow Leopard from support, leaves 1 in 5 Macs vulnerable
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which service then? I'm using it with iCloud, Yahoo!, Exchange and my own heady build based on Dovecot. All work flawlessly. If a provider uses non-standards complaint implementations of services such as IMAP, it is their responsibility, not the email clients, to support the end user.
I'm sure all of Apple's customers agreed that, simply on principal, it was better that their e-mail was broken in the new OS release.
Company A makes standards compliant product. Company B produces an undocumented service that has extended the service beyond the standard model, essentially breaking it. In your world company A should be responsible for making company B's service work?
Re: Apple retires Snow Leopard from support, leaves 1 in 5 Macs vulnerable
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sure all of Apple's customers agreed that, simply on principal, it was better that their e-mail was broken in the new OS release.
Company A makes standards compliant product. Company B produces an undocumented service that has extended the service beyond the standard model, essentially breaking it. In your world company A should be responsible for making company B's service work?
> In your world company A should be responsible for making company B's service work?
If I'm paying Company A? It used to work, and it doesn't now? Yes.
Why should users care whose fault it is? This isn't even about fault; the only fault is failing to adequately test with something so widely used. Just fix it.
Re: Apple retires Snow Leopard from support, leaves 1 in 5 Macs vulnerable
#35To put that in perspective, Windows 7 and Snow Leopard were released to manufacturing at about the same time, and that ~4 years is roughly 25% of the time that Microsoft supported Windows XP. I'm biased, but that kind of organization-wide upgrade treadmill would be a nonstarter with most of my clients (ranging from small-business to enterprise). Strange move by Apple if they hope to challenge Microsoft's lion share o…
To put your comment into perspective, Vista came out almost 6 years after XP and was a disaster. The next usable (and far more widely adopted) release, Windows 7, came out 8 years after XP. Apple, on the other hand, has a far more rapid release cycle which tends to not break things as much. It's a strange move by Microsoft for them to make huge changes every 5 years, rather than small ones every year or two like Appl…
If Apple's strategy is so sound and Microsoft's is so flawed, why did all of OS X combined never even manage to crack 50% of Vista's peak user base, according to global web stats[0] over that period?
Frankly, I have a hard time believing anyone technically minded really believes Vista was a disaster. Windows 7 was essentially Vista SP3, but people finally had decent hardware by that time and it seemed to be an improvement.
[0]: http://gs.statcounter.com/#desktop-os-ww-monthly-200807-2014...
Re: Apple retires Snow Leopard from support, leaves 1 in 5 Macs vulnerable
#36This is one of the things I love about Linux. There was an announcement at the end of 2012 that kernel will no longer support 386 chip - after 21 years! And distributions will ship older kernels for many additional years.
Compare that to MS and Apple forcing new versions of OS (and in Apple's case, hardware) on its users... I can understand their position, but it is still frustrating for the users. I find Windows XP superior to both Vista and Windows 7 (not to mention "Lego" Windows).
Re: Apple retires Snow Leopard from support, leaves 1 in 5 Macs vulnerable
#37How old is snow leopard?
Re: Apple retires Snow Leopard from support, leaves 1 in 5 Macs vulnerable
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
My $2700 Cintiq is 7 years old and works dandy, but Wacom will not be making Maverick drivers -- ever. So I won't be upgrading ever. My TV is 10 years old and working. We have a 15 year old TV in the office. My 2001 ibook is going strong and my six year could use it -- but it can't even be updated to the new wireless networking protocols, and linux abandoned the G3.
> Wacom will not be making Maverick drivers -- ever For the Cintiq, or in general? Are they necessary? I ask because I have an Intuos Pro and haven't had a problem on Mavericks.
It's Wacom. They announced it on their site. I could try it, but at this point I'm not up for the trials and tribulation of trying mavericks and having to revert.
Re: Apple retires Snow Leopard from support, leaves 1 in 5 Macs vulnerable
#39This is one of the things I love about Linux. There was an announcement at the end of 2012 that kernel will no longer support 386 chip - after 21 years! And distributions will ship older kernels for many additional years. Compare that to MS and Apple forcing new versions of OS (and in Apple's case, hardware) on its users... I can understand their position, but it is still frustrating for the users. I find Windows XP…
And Wordpress is/was going to try the same thing with some official ancient stable/always-security-patched release. I don't follow the WP world anymore. It was a noble thought back then, I just wonder if anyone actually runs the old stable release.
Re: Apple retires Snow Leopard from support, leaves 1 in 5 Macs vulnerable
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Company A makes standards compliant product. Company B produces an undocumented service that has extended the service beyond the standard model, essentially breaking it. In your world company A should be responsible for making company B's service work?
> In your world company A should be responsible for making company B's service work? If I'm paying Company A? It used to work, and it doesn't now? Yes. Why should users care whose fault it is? This isn't even about fault; the only fault is failing to adequately test with something so widely used. Just fix it.
Just comply with the standards or document the extensions.